newbie picker needs help! :D

by **gr00ve** » 21 Sep 2008 22:27

hey there, i am new at lock picking and am in need of some help. i am trying to do my first lock which i think is a bad place to start. its a "Best" lock on the door in my room, its a handle not a knob. its got a push button lock on the inside, and if you turn the key leftwards (on the outside of the door) it locks the outside handle from being turned ever until it is unlocked with the key.

i was trying to size up the number of pins etc in there and it feels like 7? if i apply tension and rake it, then release tension it sounds like all 7 pins are clicking back into place. any idea if this lock has security pins? and lastly, i read about some keys have pins on the bottom as well? my key for the door has a bump in it on the bottom more towards the handle of the key, but it does get inserted into the lock when in use.

any help would be great =) im just trying to identify what im dealing with here

-Thanks
chris

by **cheesehead** » 21 Sep 2008 22:56

I'll say it before someone else does: it's not a good idea to pick locks you rely on... that being said, if you have the key, you can determine how many pins are in the lock by looking at the key. how many "valleys" does it have? count the cuts in the key, and you can figure out how many pins you are dealing with. If you want to build confidence, You should probably just get yourself a cheap kwikset lock to practice on.

by **Raymond** » 21 Sep 2008 23:17

Please save yourself a LOT of potential trouble by researching LP101 a lot more to find out about Best locks. Warning: You can mess this lock up by picking as you can loose some of the master wafers. If this happens, your key probably will not work and you will have to explain to the authorities why you were goofing up their lock.

by **Raymond** » 21 Sep 2008 23:18

Please save yourself a LOT of potential trouble by researching LP101 a lot more to find out about Best locks. Warning: You can mess this lock up by picking as you can loose some of the master wafers. If this happens, your key probably will not work and you will have to explain to the authorities why you were goofing up their lock.

by **gr00ve** » 21 Sep 2008 23:46

my key has 7 valley's i believe. so i am not exactly sure about how to search through this site to find specific things about specific locks but thanks for the info il check it out.

on another note can i really reak this lock?? do the pins break?

by **ToolyMcgee** » 22 Sep 2008 2:51

Use Google advanced search to search this site.

7 pin BEST lock is not the way to start.

by **ridinplugspinnaz** » 22 Sep 2008 8:03

gr00ve wrote:my key has 7 valley's i believe. so i am not exactly sure about how to search through this site to find specific things about specific locks but thanks for the info il check it out.

on another note can i really reak this lock?? do the pins break?

Yes. While Best locks are fairly well-made, they certainly weren't designed to specifically tolerate NDE techniques for opening them. Like Raymond said, it is quite easy to break this lock if you don't know what you're doing. Heck I've done it before myself, but for obvious reasons, never on a lock that's being used for something. It's trivial to lose the top pins if you're not paying attention, and believe me, you're not going to get them back in the lock short of removing the core.

In summary, don't do it. Given that this is a Best lock, I'm guessing there is a good chance that you aren't the owner of this lock, and you are not going to want to be in the position of explaining why the lock doesn't work if you end up breaking it. Missing pins are pretty much a dead giveaway that someone's been manipulating the lock without the key.

by **gr00ve** » 22 Sep 2008 12:43

Its the lock to my door at my school. I'm not planning on doing any vandalism, just wanted to see if I could get it open, I forget my keys a lot

. I'm not gonna bother with it right now but I have a couple questions.

What is NDE?
Is it reasonable that my door lock has security pins?
What ranking lock would this be considered?
And this lock to my dorm room has more pins then the lock on my front door at my house, is that bad?

by **ToolyMcgee** » 22 Sep 2008 20:35

NDE is Non Destructive Entry.

It is possible your door has security pins, but highly unlikely. They are only pinned like this at customer request as it really isn't necessary. They are tough without them.

Ranking... on a scale of 1 to 10 it is a 5 and then some. A master lock no1 would barely be a 2 and a 5 chamber standard pin kwikset would be a very solid 3. This scale is totally arbitrary of course. The point is BEST locks are good picking security. Don't start your hobby with picking this one unless you want to end up at the funny farm.

-Tooly

by **datagram** » 22 Sep 2008 23:11

gr00ve wrote:Its the lock to my door at my school. I'm not planning on doing any vandalism, just wanted to see if I could get it open, I forget my keys a lot . I'm not gonna bother with it right now but I have a couple questions.

What is NDE?
Is it reasonable that my door lock has security pins?
What ranking lock would this be considered?
And this lock to my dorm room has more pins then the lock on my front door at my house, is that bad?

Don't pick that lock if you do not own it. Go on ebay, buy a BEST core for 10$ and pick that. BEST don't have security pins, but they'll be hard to pick, especially for a beginner. Go down to the hardware store, buy a few Kwikset deadbolts and play with those. You'll get alot more out of it.

dg

by **rontgens** » 23 Sep 2008 5:22

gr00ve wrote:Its the lock to my door at my school. I'm not planning on doing any vandalism, just wanted to see if I could get it open, I forget my keys a lot . I'm not gonna bother with it right now but I have a couple questions.

You say it's your door at your school...but what you mean is...it's the schools door and schools lock at the school...from a potential felony point of view?

If you forget your keys then why not go back home and get them?

by **ridinplugspinnaz** » 24 Sep 2008 10:02

By the way, while we're talking about how bad an idea it is for you to try picking this lock... it bears mentioning that should you decide to pick the lock anyway, and in doing so you manage to dislodge any of the master pins from the lock's core, two things will probably happen. Not only will you most likely change the lock bitting such that your room key will no longer work, but when you have to call the school's locksmith to fix your lock, HIS control key (the one that removes the lock from the doorknob) will probably also no longer work either. That means they'll most likely have to drill out the lock core, or replace it entirely... an expense they'll gladly pass on to you.

Anyway, it sounds like you've probably figured out by now that this is an exceptionally bad idea to pick this lock. Not to beat a dead horse, but I figured you should be made aware of this. If you end up disabling the control bitting for the lock, it can quickly become an expensive problem to fix. In several cases, drilling or outright replacement are the only options.

by **gr00ve** » 24 Sep 2008 18:02

yep, im not messing with that anymore.

on another note. do they sell practice locks? like where the side of the lock is cut open so you can see what you are doing? if so, where?

thanks
-gr00ve

by **Regalis** » 25 Sep 2008 1:39

gr00ve wrote:yep, im not messing with that anymore.

on another note. do they sell practice locks? like where the side of the lock is cut open so you can see what you are doing? if so, where?

thanks
-gr00ve

Indeed they do. Mostly every internet shop has them. They're ussually quite pricey though. I remember that there was a thread on this forums with all the internet shops, you could start looking there.

by **rontgens** » 26 Sep 2008 5:36

You can find practice locks on ebay too.

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