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Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

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Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby op-sec » 6 Oct 2008 23:49

As shown in my new sig graphic (slightly different than Squelchtones)...

I'll get a video up soon. I had hoped it would put up a fight. Oh well!
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Postby Shib » 8 Oct 2008 7:01

Good job, thats a really hard lock to pick! I will hopeflly be getting a Medeco M3 (same as a biaxial) soon. How long did it take you?
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Postby op-sec » 8 Oct 2008 8:26

How do I answer without sounding like a cocky jerk?

OK... Here goes. I'm more surprised than anyone else will be but...

About 10 seconds.
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby Squelchtone » 8 Oct 2008 10:15

op-sec wrote:As shown in my new sig graphic (slightly different than Squelchtones)...

I'll get a video up soon. I had hoped it would put up a fight. Oh well!



photoshopped! lolz..

nice job man congrats! Where did you get a big logo biaxial? is that from Mitch.Capper?

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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby op-sec » 8 Oct 2008 21:39

I got it on eBay. I'm ashamed to say what I paid for it. :oops: Way too much - almost new cost... :shock: It was one of those impulse buys. After I picked the KeyMark, I wanted to go for the Biaxial and eBay was the quickest way get that "I've bought it and it will be here soon" feeling. :roll:

I need to correct my previous time estimate though... It "seemed" like 10 seconds... I didn't have a stopwatch running and no video. The video I shot tonight, I got it in just over 20 seconds which if the stopwatch runs at lunch today were any indication, that is going to be about average. I think my fastest time today was about 15 seconds.

The back two pins are what get me. They're the first in the set order but, they are not very deep at all. I think they might actually be 6's looking at the key. It takes a deft touch to get them. The first time I picked this thing - out of the box - I had to have gotten them by total accident! The more I learn the "feeling" of this lock, the more amazed I am that I can get it with the HPC short hook. I have to lay the hook at about a 45deg angle in the keyway (realized that by total accident too after watching video of myself picking it) at times to get the right angle of attack. Maybe it's a good sign that I'm doing these things instinctively but, I'm quickly realizing how valuable the video is because by watching it, I'm picking up on things that I will now try consciously.
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby Dak » 8 Oct 2008 21:40

congrats! I finally picked my american 5100 tonight :D
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby op-sec » 8 Oct 2008 22:34

Dak wrote:congrats! I finally picked my american 5100 tonight :D


Congrats yourself! I haven't picked a 5100 yet. I've got a few 1105's that I've picked. I'll have to shoot a video of those too sometime.

I just uploaded the videos from tonight. The Medeco Biaxial 51S in ~20secs is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Dp-5gEbGQ
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby ridinplugspinnaz » 9 Oct 2008 17:00

Congratulations, man! I'd be remiss not to mention that I'm the slightest bit jealous to see your picking skill increase so quickly by watching some of your posts here :P But seriously, great job. I know next to nothing about the Medeco cylinders, so forgive the noob question, but do the Biaxial cylinders have angle-cut key pins? I remember someone from your Keymark thread earlier saying that's not the case in those locks. And if they do have angled cuts (it's not really possible to tell from the key in the video), did you use any special tools to get the lock open?

Tell us more :D
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby Safety0ff » 9 Oct 2008 21:08

You've got skills! It didn't look like picking the sidebar was much trouble; would you mind commenting on how you picked the sidebar?
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby op-sec » 9 Oct 2008 21:40

Thanks for the complement. I've been absent from making videos and making many posts for about 6 months but, I've been picking anything I could get my hands on so, the skills have been picking up accordingly as time progressed. The Biaxial does have rotating pins and chisel shaped keypins accordingly.

As for picking the sidebar, I'm using the short hook to manipulate the pins.
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby raimundo » 10 Oct 2008 7:22

Still asking about the method you used, did you go counterclockwise to rake the pins into sidebar set? Somewhat like the MWtobias method? or did you use the medecoder to set the sidebar? I haven't seen the video, if there is one, it seemed from Saftyoffs. post that there might be.

What about tension, bottom straight blade, top of keyway, split tensor?

could you feel the feedback? were you doing it all just with a hook? no special method to set sidebar?
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby op-sec » 10 Oct 2008 13:54

I went clockwise with standard bottom of keyway tension - just enough to find the binding pin. Feedback was minimal on the pins with hardened steel drivers and fantastic on the ones with Mushrooms. I didn't use a Medecoder as I don't have one. :) I used my short hook. The only pin I had to dink with rotation-wise after getting the sheer set was the first pin. You can see that pretty obviously in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Dp-5gEbGQ

I've tried to get it CCW but, I haven't been able to yet. I can get the sidebar but, I'm having problems getting the vertical sheer set with the reverse binding order. I'll keep working at it of course but, thus far, no success picking CCW on this one.
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Re: Picked my Medeco Biaxial tonight!

Postby op-sec » 10 Oct 2008 13:56

I missed your question about raking. No raking involved. Very specific, very intentional SPPing. The only raking would be purely accidental as I probe for the next binding pin as I move around in the lock.
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