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Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

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Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 4 Jul 2009 12:06

Hi. I want to remove a euro lock from my Italian secuity door (DIERRE). The lock cylinder is held into a steel shuttle by one screw. And then a holding plate is screwed over the lot. The lock and shuttle should just slide out when the holding plate is removed. But it is stuck. I cannot remove it. What to do next?
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby SnowyBoy » 4 Jul 2009 13:54

Just buy one on ebay. They go for a few pounds.
What a load of old BiLocks!!!!

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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby mh » 4 Jul 2009 14:25

Did you try with the key at different angles? Euro cylinders cannot be removed at the "0 degree" position of the key.

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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby SnowyBoy » 4 Jul 2009 17:06

Yes, good point

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7676/cimg6089m.jpg

See how she sticks out!

I hopeyou got a lock to replace the one you're removing?
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 0:04

I tried the key at all possible angles. Still stuck. What to do?
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby Squelchtone » 5 Jul 2009 0:10

verfeil wrote:I tried the key at all possible angles. Still stuck. What to do?


Hello,

Could you post a photo of the lock? Maybe we will notice a detail that will help you remove the lock from the door. Also, a photo of the side where the retaining screw inserts.

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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 1:26

Here you go.
DIERRE.jpg
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 1:35

The screw is on left side of lock. I made an allen key to fit the screw head. But it's not possible to fit an allen key into that space AND turn the screw.
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby mh » 5 Jul 2009 1:52

remove the black part (f)?
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby mh » 5 Jul 2009 1:57

ahh, I guess you did that already. Now, if you insert the key and pull on the cylinder, what does it do? jiggle? really stuck?
If you can move it a little bit but then it stops, I would assume the cam in the middle of the Euro cylinder isn't at the right angle.
If it's really stuck, then the components in the door maybe have moved a bit and you would have to use force to pull it our (or better push from the outside).

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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 2:20

I pull the cylinder for only 1cm and then it is stuck and sounds like something is blocking it.
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 2:25

I used force from the exterior and still the cylinder is stuck. What to do?
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 4:49

I thought of this forum as an ideal place for my enquiry. But, I am still in the same situation as before - I cannot remove this lock. I'll try elsewhere, then :( . Someone, somewhere, must know why it is blocked.
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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby Squelchtone » 5 Jul 2009 5:01

verfeil wrote:I thought of this forum as an ideal place for my enquiry. But, I am still in the same situation as before - I cannot remove this lock. I'll try elsewhere, then :( . Someone, somewhere, must know why it is blocked.


We pick locks for fun, we are not a 24/7 Free Technical Support line for locksmiths.

Everything the others suggested should work for you. After you remove the set screw from the edge of the door, remove the interior handle, plate, part (f), parts (g) and now from the outside remove the small plate (h) or the thick plate (m), and insert key into lock, rotate key slowly while pushing on the lock, keep rotating so the cam cam find the place where it will move freely, if the cylinder starts to move, remove the key and push the cylinder out of the door.

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Re: Euro lock in Italian secuity door (DIERRE)

Postby verfeil » 5 Jul 2009 5:28

I am not a locksmith. A profesional locksmith came and opened this door without a key from the exterior and then told me he is unable to replace the lock because he does not know the technique. The lock is still stuck in the door after I followed all instructions. I will phone the door manufacturer (DIERRE) again to resolve the situation. :cry:
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