Using Locks Without Keys

[UEDan]

Just curious, we all know lock picking is an esoteric hobby/skill and people throw away locks all the time.

For example I'm currently in need of a new door lock for my room. I have have an extra nice Schlage knob(5 pin, 2 security) which I lost the key to a while moving. I've been picking very consistently(sub 30 secs) even when mounted left or right handed. Yes I was showing off.

Anyone do this? I've done this before with padlocks that I've found and since there aren't any keys wouldn't it be slightly more secured?

Discuss/share experiences. Now.

[LocksmithArmy]

I dont see how its more secure than, say, a lock to which only you had the key to...

if a person does not have a key, wheather it exists or not, they will not try to open it... unless they are going tto pick/destroy it... even if there is no key

assuming you dont lose you key and someone find it that is

[thelockpickkid]

If your thinking about mounting this lock say on your room door or your house, it's perfectly fine, just remember, if your tired, drunk, it's dark, or your fingers are froze it's going to be hard as hell to pick it open. Also remember that when locks are repeatedly picked they do wear out and malfunction eventually. Awesome job on your picking skill though, and that is great practice!!

[Wizer]

Yes, it would be a little more secure because no-one can see or photograph your key to make copy.
Very often people who have good locks, and guard their keys well have their keychains visible. Its not hard to read some keys by eye and then cut to code later.
But I really can´t see that a lock that can be picked easily would be any "more secure" than a high-low combo on new lock.

[NanoDuke]

The only thing I can think of to add security to a key-less lock is having extreme bitting. There are certain pin configurations that are possible when you don't have to put a key in it e.g. 191919

[Eyes_Only]

That's how I practice picking locks. I got a few OEM manufacture mortise cylinders by companies like Schlage, Yale, Sargent, etc and totally violated the MAC rule and threw in some spool and serrated drivers to make it as difficult as possible.

Just curious, we all know lock picking is an esoteric hobby/skill and people throw away locks all the time.

I looked up "esoteric" and I like the use of that word regarding locksports.

[FarmerFreak]

This is an interesting idea. Because you do have the option of setting up a lock that can't be used with a key.

I have a lock cylinder I set up a while ago where the last 3 pins can't be lifted until the 3rd pin has been lifted. There is a slider piece that the 3rd pin pushes back when lifting, thus allowing the pins in the back of the lock the freedom to move. But I suppose I could make another lock with this piece in reverse, making it so the first pins couldn't be lifted until a pin in the back has been lifted.

This would be a cool lock to have on an entrance door to a picking club. To bad I don't frequent (or know of) any picking clubs here.

I'll see if I can find the lock cylinder at work today, and take pictures tonight.

[UEDan]

if a person does not have a key, wheather it exists or not, they will not try to open it... unless they are going tto pick/destroy it... even if there is no key

Read this too Wizer:
Thats the thing, the majority of the people dont know how to pick locks, and kids of my generation don't have the patience to learn to pick past a Master #3. And even that tests their
patience. Since there is no key, there is no way for it to be stolen or borrowed when I leave it laying around.
And I'm talking about the real world. No one is going to want to get into my room if the door is locked. Hell I haven't had a break in since '95.

PickKid: Don't worry, I don't drink or even do recreational drugs anymore! Thats why I got back in to locksports! =P

[WOT]

If you get locked out by even a KW1 on a 20 degree day in your pajamas while fetching mail while nobody else is in the house, you're screwed anyways and not much you can do other than call a lockie from your neighbor's house. How do I know this? Because I did this once

[FarmerFreak]

This is the lock I mentioned earlier.






If the plan was to have a lock and only pick it to get into it. This would be a cool idea if set up the other way around. So you need to lift the last pin in the lock just to unlock the movement of the first 4 or 5 pins.

Actually now that I am looking at it. The only reason the first pin moves the slider is because I wanted a key to work. Any position could be used to unlock the other pins, not just the first/last one.

This way even if someone else were to try and pick it they wouldn't likely know why the pins aren't moving!!

[LocksmithArmy]

That is a cool lock... You made it right... did you cut the piece out of the cylinder or grind it out of one cylinder and cut the piece form another cylinder...

[FarmerFreak]

It's made from two cylinders. I did most of the work with a flat file. I know there is faster tools to get the job done, but I was simply playing around that day. With some time to kill.

[LocksmithArmy]

its still a pretty dern good idea for picking fun...