medeco vending lock

[acmidas]

We own a standard coin exchange, coin changer, that comes with a medeco vending lock. The outside of the cylinder says 36s, so I assume we need this key. Any suggestions where we can find this key in toronto? thanks

[hydruh]

Your best bet is just to call a locksmith. Medecos have controlled keys.

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[Squelchtone]

We own a standard coin exchange, coin changer, that comes with a medeco vending lock. The outside of the cylinder says 36s, so I assume we need this key. Any suggestions where we can find this key in toronto? thanks

36s is not the key. 36s is most likely a UL (Underwriter Laboratories) classification for UL437 high security locks that were tested by UL, and the Medeco vending locks got the 36s on them. The business door locks got a 51s. Are you sure its 36s and not 72s or 64s/65s?

hydruh is correct, a locksmith can help you with this, not a key you can get from Home Depot. if you want to, post a pic of the keyway, or PM me the pic if you dont want the keyway being made public. Contacting the coin changer manufacturer and giving them the serial number is another viable way of getting a spare key sent to you as long as you can prove ownership, etc.

good luck,
Squelchtone

[raimundo]

If you have trouble getting a key for that lock, perhaps you could just buy a replacement lock, that is the next solution,

I had one of these medeco plugs in my hand a day ago, and was noticing how restricted and just tiny the keyway is, on these, then since I had the plug in my hand, I turned it over and looked at the chisle tips on those pins and as I was doing this, I noticed that beneath the pin collums, there are notches in the warding of the lower keyway that are directly beneath the pin collumns, these notches are just smaller than the drilling for the pins above them.

I could only assume that these notches were part of the manufacturing process,to allow some machine to check the pins from the bottom or to place them in the core,

I was immediatly struck by the notches because they are not part of the function of the lock, and they could be used to index/register, a special picking tool that would need to locate the exact bottom of each collumn.

haveing a positive feed back on the placement of a pick under a collumn is very useful and having the scale incorporated into the plug rather than having to build it on the handle of the pick such as is done on special picks for disc detainer locks and such.

medeco has given us this notch scale inside the plug, all we have to do is learn how to use it. and build a tool that lifts and rotates.

[pingmasterpong]

not to brag but i could make you a key in about 45 min

[Rickthepick]

if its anything like the vending like i have, it should be a piece of cake to change the core. its only held in by two tiny screws

[globallockytoo]

medeco has given us this notch scale inside the plug, all we have to do is learn how to use it. and build a tool that lifts and rotates.

Like jk_the_cjer's tool for Medeco?

Great product!

Grab each pin, push or pull, align sidebar, SPP.....4 minutes tops.

Coin machine locks are even easier....just align sidebar only.

[lockinabox]

Coin machine locks are even easier....just align sidebar only.

Not really true. Medeco cam locks do not have a shear line but the pins must be rotated to align with the sidebar and each pin must be raised to the correct height otherwise the round sidebar legs will not enter the round holes in the pins. There is no traditional shear line, but the fact that each pin must be raised to a specific height serves a very similar purpose.

[globallockytoo]

Coin machine locks are even easier....just align sidebar only.

Not really true. Medeco cam locks do not have a shear line but the pins must be rotated to align with the sidebar and each pin must be raised to the correct height otherwise the round sidebar legs will not enter the round holes in the pins. There is no traditional shear line, but the fact that each pin must be raised to a specific height serves a very similar purpose.

Perhaps in the improved pins, they did this. I dont know, I only have the older pinning kit and all the pins in there have a slot the entire length of the pin where the sidebar locates. I would think it unusual for Medeco to have the holes like in Bilock, because there would be no need then, for top pins and springs in all their other products and consequently bumping would be an improbability.

[Josh K]

Coin machine locks are even easier....just align sidebar only.

Not really true. Medeco cam locks do not have a shear line but the pins must be rotated to align with the sidebar and each pin must be raised to the correct height otherwise the round sidebar legs will not enter the round holes in the pins. There is no traditional shear line, but the fact that each pin must be raised to a specific height serves a very similar purpose.

Perhaps in the improved pins, they did this. I dont know, I only have the older pinning kit and all the pins in there have a slot the entire length of the pin where the sidebar locates. I would think it unusual for Medeco to have the holes like in Bilock, because there would be no need then, for top pins and springs in all their other products and consequently bumping would be an improbability.

The Medeco cam and vending machine locks don't have a shear line or driver pins. They have BiLock style sidebars, but the pins must also be rotated to the correct position.

Standard medeco locks have drivers (shear line) and the rotational sidebar.

[Schuyler]

I have 20 medeco cam locks that say the holes are located at different heights as well as rotations. Some even have false shallow holes to catch the sidebar.

[FarmerFreak]

The Medeco cam locks have never used the same pins that the regular medecos use. Completely different pinning kit. Groovegrabbers of any kind simply won't work because there isn't a groove to grab. As far as pick resistance goes, I consider the cam lock design to be far superior than the normal design.

[Josh K]

The Medeco cam locks have never used the same pins that the regular medecos use. Completely different pinning kit. Groovegrabbers of any kind simply won't work because there isn't a groove to grab. As far as pick resistance goes, I consider the cam lock design to be far superior than the normal design.

How many different heights are there available?

[lockinabox]

Perhaps in the improved pins, they did this. I dont know, I only have the older pinning kit and all the pins in there have a slot the entire length of the pin where the sidebar locates.

Umm, do u have a picture of this cam lock pinning kit with slots that run the length of the pin instead of round holes? Even the 1971 medeco cam lock patent clearly shows the pins as having round holes that are placed at different heights on the pins http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=0NUuAAAAEBAJ&dq=3,499,303. I have seen many medeco cam locks, pining kits, service manuals, and not a single pin with a slot running the length of the pin rather than a hole (or 2 holes for master keying). If the pins have slots that run the length of the pins, then they are not medeco cam lock pins (unless of course you have photos that would controvert 40 years of medeco cam lock history).

Depending on the lock system and application there can be up to 9 different "lengths." Typically there are either 4 or 6.

[Schuyler]

To be clear, Medeco did have driver-based "cam" locks. These were small format and found on spam & telephone vaults. I sold off a dozen or so of these in BST a couple of years ago. Perhaps Global had a kit specifically for those locks, as, if memory serves, the pins weren't standard-issue Medeco pins.

The traditional Medeco cam locks, however, are based on holes at different heights and rotations that require the small pegs sticking out from the sidebar to fit very precisely. I agree completely with FarmerFreak that the Cam design is superior to the standard driver-based Medeco. A Tobias-inspired half-cut attack to set the sidebar would fail against the cam locks. The fit of those sidebar pegs to the holes in the pins is simply too tight. Similarly, because the sidebar is dependent on both rotation and height, Marc's sidebar-setting technique to prepare a lock for picking would fail. The Driverless Cam design is significantly better.