Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

My mom is buying a new lock

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

My mom is buying a new lock

Postby E1001 » 8 Apr 2010 10:56

What type of lock, for a front door, is best in terms of the security it offers for the price? I don't want her to have to get a lock that can be opened by sneezing on it, just because it's super cheap.
-E
E1001
 
Posts: 52
Joined: 15 Jul 2008 19:17
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby yng_pick » 8 Apr 2010 13:07

The hardware/big box stores around me seem to carry only Kwikset and Schlage.
I wouldn't suggest going with kwikset- the new(er) smart key is nice in that it resists bumping and picking (to a very good degree), but it is much too easily bypassed. Schlage is nice, they are a little more difficult to pick then the real cheapies. For better security I would recommend going to a locksmith shop and inquiring about higher security locks (assa, medeco, etc). Of course that is a bit more expensive, so it depends on the range of price that she is considering.

When trying to decide how much to spend on a deadbolt, it is important to take other factors concerning the entrance. If the framing is weak, or there is a lot of standard glass around the door, putting in a 200$ deadbolt might be a bit futile.

I used to like Baldwin for looks and quality, but since they switched to using smart key kwikset cylinders, I no longer would recommend them.
yng_pick
 
Posts: 201
Joined: 19 Aug 2005 14:23
Location: Florida

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby yng_pick » 8 Apr 2010 13:10

Also- I assume it is a deadbolt that you are looking for- if there isn't one, that is a definite security upgrade that should be taken care of. If security when she is home is a priority, I might also suggest considering a single sided deadbolt as well, where there is the thumbturn on the inside with a standard bolt, but nothing on the outside.
yng_pick
 
Posts: 201
Joined: 19 Aug 2005 14:23
Location: Florida

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby mhole » 8 Apr 2010 13:35

yng_pick wrote:Also- I assume it is a deadbolt that you are looking for- if there isn't one, that is a definite security upgrade that should be taken care of. If security when she is home is a priority, I might also suggest considering a single sided deadbolt as well, where there is the thumbturn on the inside with a standard bolt, but nothing on the outside.


I always avoid suggesting any kind of bolt or lock which can be locked from the inside and not opened from the outside. In an emergency this can prevent a relative or friend who has keys from gaining access to the property, and can also be used as a tool by intruders, who lock the door from inside to avoid being disturbed.
mhole
 
Posts: 485
Joined: 1 Jul 2007 14:36

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby Josh K » 8 Apr 2010 14:27

mhole wrote:
yng_pick wrote:Also- I assume it is a deadbolt that you are looking for- if there isn't one, that is a definite security upgrade that should be taken care of. If security when she is home is a priority, I might also suggest considering a single sided deadbolt as well, where there is the thumbturn on the inside with a standard bolt, but nothing on the outside.


I always avoid suggesting any kind of bolt or lock which can be locked from the inside and not opened from the outside. In an emergency this can prevent a relative or friend who has keys from gaining access to the property, and can also be used as a tool by intruders, who lock the door from inside to avoid being disturbed.


+1. Double lock (locks inside and outside) or single (thumbturn inside, lock outside) but never just a thumbturn.

Personally I'd want something like a Schlage Everest on the deadbolt. You can't pick gun it open unless you bypass the checkpin, and right there you're taking out 99% of thieves. You should also make sure to put a decent strike plate on and reinforce the doors / windows. The majority of people don't pick your locks, they break a window.
Josh K
 
Posts: 555
Joined: 9 Dec 2009 22:32
Location: New York City

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby E1001 » 8 Apr 2010 16:28

Hmm well there are large windows next to the door, so I think as a price consideration the lock probably won't matter much, since no matter how secure it is, someone could just break the windows.
-E
E1001
 
Posts: 52
Joined: 15 Jul 2008 19:17
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby Josh K » 8 Apr 2010 16:34

E1001 wrote:Hmm well there are large windows next to the door, so I think as a price consideration the lock probably won't matter much, since no matter how secure it is, someone could just break the windows.


Right, so reinforce the door frame, and put a nice Everest / BEST / Bilock / something under ~$50 deadbolt in.

Breaking windows make a good deal of noise, so yes they could just break them, but you also want to deter them from jimying the door.
Josh K
 
Posts: 555
Joined: 9 Dec 2009 22:32
Location: New York City

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby yng_pick » 8 Apr 2010 17:43

mhole wrote:
yng_pick wrote:Also- I assume it is a deadbolt that you are looking for- if there isn't one, that is a definite security upgrade that should be taken care of. If security when she is home is a priority, I might also suggest considering a single sided deadbolt as well, where there is the thumbturn on the inside with a standard bolt, but nothing on the outside.


I always avoid suggesting any kind of bolt or lock which can be locked from the inside and not opened from the outside. In an emergency this can prevent a relative or friend who has keys from gaining access to the property, and can also be used as a tool by intruders, who lock the door from inside to avoid being disturbed.



I would say it depends on the situation then. In a true medical emergency the fire department will tear through a door whether or not they can see the lock. If you have medical conditions, are elderly, or something similar, then perhaps it is not a good idea to not have one.

And if you come home, and the bolt is thrown from the inside, it might be a bit better then walking in on the burglar :p
yng_pick
 
Posts: 201
Joined: 19 Aug 2005 14:23
Location: Florida

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby MacGnG1 » 9 Apr 2010 23:13

the problem with recommending locks to family members is that they don't wanna spend more money than the amount they have already decided to spend. so just let your mom know what to stay away from and what to look for.
Nibbler: The poop-eradication is but one aspect of your importance.
MacGnG1
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 1360
Joined: 9 Apr 2008 22:14
Location: Know Where, MD, USA

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby zeke79 » 9 Apr 2010 23:29

The best bang for the buck out there for a very high security lock is hands down bilock. A very nice lock that you could pick up from either globallockytoo or www.securitysnobs.com. They are suprisingly alot more affordable than you think for the level of security they give you. Personally I like the bilock cylinder installed into the arrow deadbolt hardware but that is just personal preference. There is alot of other good hardware out there. If you want a high security lock cylinder WITH drill protected, high security deadbolt body then there is nothing that compares to the abloy protec deadbolts but they are much more expensive than the hybrid bilock deadbolt I mentioned above. Either one would make an exceptional lock.
For the best book out there on high security locks and their operation, take a look at amazon.com for High-Security Mechanical Locks An Encyclopedic Reference. Written by our very own site member Greyman! A true 5 Star read!!
zeke79
Admin Emeritus
 
Posts: 5701
Joined: 1 Sep 2003 14:11
Location: USA

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby raimundo » 10 Apr 2010 8:12

How many keys come with those bilock cylinders. ? What do you do to get one duplicated?
Wake up and smell the Kafka!!!
raimundo
 
Posts: 7130
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 9:02
Location: Minnneapolis

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby lockinabox » 10 Apr 2010 8:31

There were huge factory price increases on BiLock locks. They now cost just about the same as the Protec, some of them cost a good deal more.
lockinabox
 
Posts: 206
Joined: 11 Sep 2009 14:52
Location: Texas

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby jwhou » 20 Apr 2010 18:54

The thing is that some insurance policies won't pay for theft unless there's evidence of a breakin hence having a lock that resists bumping is good and one that is sufficiently hard to pick that they would rather break that window. Once the window is broken, you should be good for compensation on whatever is taken.
jwhou
 
Posts: 55
Joined: 14 Apr 2010 21:55

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby unlisted » 21 Apr 2010 1:42

sigh.. bumping leaves evidence, so does picking, snap guns, etc. So no worries there really.
New user? Click HERE & HERE & HERE
unlisted
Moderator Emeritus
 
Posts: 3131
Joined: 27 May 2006 0:42
Location: Canada

Re: My mom is buying a new lock

Postby Evan » 21 Apr 2010 14:56

unlisted wrote:sigh.. bumping leaves evidence, so does picking, snap guns, etc. So no worries there really.


Evidence, yes...

Stuff that anyone is going to go looking for in 99.999999999% of the times such things occur in the real world, no... It is your house and just its contents -- so it is clear what was inside and what is covered under your policy... It is not like a case of commercial burglary/industrial espionage where trade secrets were stolen which could result in untold hundreds of millions of dollars worth of future losses...

If insurance companies took the locks apart and put them under microscopes to look for traces of picking attempts, impressioning, or bumping, each time there was a reported claim of no damage during a residential burglary there would be an exponentially larger number of forensic locksmiths in North America than presently exist...

~~ Evan
Evan
 
Posts: 1489
Joined: 5 Apr 2010 17:09
Location: Rhode Island

Next

Return to Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests