rekey Pin kit Australia?

[minifhncc]

Hello,

I'm in Australia and I'm looking at getting a repinning kit (one listed on http://www.lockpickshop.com/Pin-Kits.html )

However I'm not sure which one to get. Should I get the .003 one or the .005? I assume that I should get the universal one because I intend on rekeying various locks such as, Lockwood, Carbine, Lane doorknobs/deadbolts and whitco. Also I might rekey screen door/window locks (eg. Doric locks).

What should I buy then?

I know that I should also buy the cylinder/plug to keep the pins whilst you take the core out. Is there one that you guys would recommend as well?

Thanks heaps

[minifhncc]

Also, would I need a cap remover to rekey Schilage and Lane locks?

Also, would the universal kit be able to rekey the Schilage locks?

Thanks again

[minifhncc]

Sorry for the reply once again, but you can't edit posts in this forum...

In my previous post, I was referring to the Lane door knob locks for the cap remover...

Thanks

[Evan]

@minifhncc:

Welcome to LP101... Give a little bit of time and maybe one of the Aussie lockies on here will respond with the answers you seek...

You need to look at the contents listing for the Lab Pro Wedge Pin Kit on the Lab web page to see if the pin sizes you need for the various Aussie lock makers you listed are included in the kit you want to buy:

<< External Link to Lab Pins -- EPK003 - LAB KIT EMERALD WEDGE PRO .003 -- Pin Kit Parts Listing >>

<< External Link to Lab Pins -- EPK005 - LAB KIT EMERALD WEDGE PRO .005 -- Pin Kit Parts Listing >>

You would need to know the pinning size specs for the locks you are concerned with...

~~ Evan

[globallockytoo]

Hello,

I'm in Australia and I'm looking at getting a repinning kit (one listed on http://www.lockpickshop.com/Pin-Kits.html )

However I'm not sure which one to get. Should I get the .003 one or the .005? I assume that I should get the universal one because I intend on rekeying various locks such as, Lockwood, Carbine, Lane doorknobs/deadbolts and whitco. Also I might rekey screen door/window locks (eg. Doric locks).

What should I buy then?

I know that I should also buy the cylinder/plug to keep the pins whilst you take the core out. Is there one that you guys would recommend as well?

Thanks heaps

most window locks are wafer tumbler in Oz. Old style LW use 225 padlock wafers. Whitco and Doric use L&F wafers (old stuff).
I think they changed the tumbler design in Whitco to a miniature LW4 key profile, requiring open ended tumblers. These tumblers are not L&F.

I personally like the .003 pinning kit as it is far more versatile. Helps too when you are repinning to keys that may be cut incorrectly or are a half cut out (which happens often).

Buy your own 3/8 stock and make your own follower.
You dont require a follower for wafer tumbler locks.
I am surprised you dont know the name of the tools. Are you a locksmith or a handyperson wanting in on the locksmith game?

[globallockytoo]

no need for cap remover. pull the plug through the housing with your follower.
Whitco/doric screen door cyls do not require a follower either. They have removeable bible caps (screwed on).
Many older Euro cylinders require the circlip removed, the plug picked, a tool required to sit in the bottom of the keyway to hold the top pins in, to be able to withdraw the core.

[minifhncc]

Hello thanks for all your replies!

I am surprised you dont know the name of the tools. Are you a locksmith or a handyperson wanting in on the locksmith game?

Neither -- I have have a strong interest in locks and would like to peruse it further.

Many older Euro cylinders require the circlip removed, the plug picked, a tool required to sit in the bottom of the keyway to hold the top pins in, to be able to withdraw the core.

Do you know where I could buy one of these?

Thanks again!

[deception]

Down and dirty guide to re-pining Euro locks, HERE.

[antz_539]

Hello,

I'm in Australia and I'm looking at getting a repinning kit (one listed on http://www.lockpickshop.com/Pin-Kits.html )

However I'm not sure which one to get. Should I get the .003 one or the .005? I assume that I should get the universal one because I intend on rekeying various locks such as, Lockwood, Carbine, Lane doorknobs/deadbolts and whitco. Also I might rekey screen door/window locks (eg. Doric locks).

What should I buy then?

I know that I should also buy the cylinder/plug to keep the pins whilst you take the core out. Is there one that you guys would recommend as well?

Thanks heaps

Hi minifhncc,

about 70% of the locks (pin tumbler) I have come across in oz utilise the Lockwood standard for their space and depths. These include Abus, Carbine, Lockwood, Whitco, Brava and many cheap locksets from Bunnings.

The .005 kit will have all of the bottoms pins needed for these locks, but it is probably a bit of an overkill as many of the pins will not be used, however its better to have pins than not have them if you do come across another manufacturer.

The Lockwood standard starts at a .150 size pin as a zero and goes up in .015 increments to a number 9 @ .285 so aslong as the kit has these size pins you should be fine.

We also have Gainsborough brand here. They are very common on new housing estates due to their price and good looks. They use totally different pin sizes to Lockwood. They also have a different diameter (Smaller). Lockwood pins are not recommended for Gainsborough locks.

A cap remover for schlage or PD cylinders (as they are more commonly known in oz) isn't a necessity, but for a few dollars, its a handy addition to a rekeying kit.

Goodluck

[beebo123]

Lock and key/lsc will probably sell you pins and followers over the counter i can't imagine why they wouldn't? I wouldn't bother with a pd cylinder cap removal tool they really are quite useless. I often unwind a random key ring in the back of the van if its closer than a broken pick.... The Argus followers are beautiful for euro cylinders I think they are available from lsc which you'll find in every state in Oz.

As for using lockwood pins in gainsborough... It's like waiting for the results from an std test. Nobody wants to talk about it but we've all been in that waiting room.

[antz_539]

Lock and key/lsc will probably sell you pins and followers over the counter i can't imagine why they wouldn't? I wouldn't bother with a pd cylinder cap removal tool they really are quite useless. I often unwind a random key ring in the back of the van if its closer than a broken pick.... The Argus followers are beautiful for euro cylinders I think they are available from lsc which you'll find in every state in Oz.

As for using lockwood pins in gainsborough... It's like waiting for the results from an std test. Nobody wants to talk about it but we've all been in that waiting room.

Unless you are a qualified Locksmith or work for a locksmith, I can't see any LSC or Lock & Key branch selling keying components to the general public.

Had a gainsborough rekey yesterday, won't go there!!

[Squelchtone]

Unless you are a qualified Locksmith or work for a locksmith, I can't see any LSC or Lock & Key branch selling keying components to the general public.

Just wondering.. here in the states, if you live in an multi unit apartment complex many times the handy man or maintenance guy will have a repin kit and its something he would order from a catalog or a locksmith shop. Is this sort of thing common in Australia, or will an apartment building normally call a locksmith to rekey a lock when a tenant moves out or loses a key?

Thank you,
Squelchtone

[antz_539]

Unless you are a qualified Locksmith or work for a locksmith, I can't see any LSC or Lock & Key branch selling keying components to the general public.

Just wondering.. here in the states, if you live in an multi unit apartment complex many times the handy man or maintenance guy will have a repin kit and its something he would order from a catalog or a locksmith shop. Is this sort of thing common in Australia, or will an apartment building normally call a locksmith to rekey a lock when a tenant moves out or loses a key?

Thank you,
Squelchtone

Hi Squelchtone,

The locksmiths i know are very protective about there trade tools (pins, picks etc). Therefore repin kits are not usually sold to the general public from Locksmith stores. Probably in fear that this can lead to competition to their business.

Normally, Apartment buildings, retirement villages etc use restricted keying systems or a small level master key system which brings the client back to the Locksmith to get new keys and their database updated on software such as Promaster to look after the long term jeopardy of the locks and keys. But saying that, I am aware of some maintenance people for complexes that have their own key machine to dupe keys and have repin kits, but it is very rare. I guess it comes down to the particular handyman/maintenance guy whether he has the confidence or passion to service their own keys and locks.

Cheers

antz_539

[inquisitor35]

To further add to the above, many places end up going to a locksmith after firing their handyman and realizing that he has what he needs to enter any apartment they own. Or the handyman mucks it up. Or they want a master key system after years of shuffling around 8 billion keys. Some places get around the whole rekey thing by playing sudoku with their locks every so often but really... wouldn't you rather have someone who knows what they're doing build you up an expandable master key system once you get over a dozen units or so? Of course you would.

Well, at least that's how I try to sell it.

[minifhncc]

We also have Gainsborough brand here. They are very common on new housing estates due to their price and good looks. They use totally different pin sizes to Lockwood. They also have a different diameter (Smaller). Lockwood pins are not recommended for Gainsborough locks.

Hello,

Apologies for the late reply. I've been very busy lately.

I have a few locks with Gainsborough locks. What would be the specification of their pins? Would the kit http://www.lockpickshop.com/Pin-Kits.html include Gainsborough pins?

Thanks again!