Abus 65/60 Padlock

[LexDevil]

I recently purchased this lock but have been unable to find much info about it online. I know that it has 5 pin stacks with at least 1 spool pin, but that is about it.

I have only managed to SPP the lock once, but can consistently open it in under 15 seconds by raking.

This lock appears to have quite low tolerances as I have been able to open it fairly promptly (normally within 5 seconds) with several jigglers, all of different profiles. Would low tolerances be the cause of this?

Does anyone know exactly what security pins are contained within this padlock?

Thanks.

[Squelchtone]

I recently purchased this lock but have been unable to find much info about it online. I know that it has 5 pin stacks with at least 1 spool pin, but that is about it.

I have only managed to SPP the lock once, but can consistently open it in under 15 seconds by raking.

This lock appears to have quite low tolerances as I have been able to open it fairly promptly (normally within 5 seconds) with several jigglers, all of different profiles. Would low tolerances be the cause of this?

Does anyone know exactly what security pins are contained within this padlock?

Thanks.

5 spool pins. well made lock, not low tolerances. ABUS is a good brand, made in Germany, not cheap China crap.

and by jigglers you mean rakes, right? I think the word jigglers is usually reserved for a specific kind of car opening 'keys'

Here is a video of an ABUS padlock salesman sample cutaway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewUh-MHdpT4

[LexDevil]

Thanks for the link and info, it makes a very nice cutaway!

I don't want to go into great detail incase they are considered 'bypass' and thus advanced, but they are mini jigglers which can be quite effective on cheap wafer and cam locks (which is why I was suprised to find them opening this lock with such ease).

I will try and upload a video later.

[LexDevil]

Not been able to upload a video, but I have made a lot of progress with this lock.

I am fairly certain that there are 4 spool pins, the first pin in the lock being a regular driver. The problem I was having with SPPing this lock was that 2 pins bind at the same time, the 1st (regular) pin and the 5th (spool) pin. I was trying to pick this lock by setting pin number 1 first, then when I went to set the next pin, the 1st pin would almost always pop back out.

I kicked myself when I discovered that the 5th pin could be set first, then the 4th, then 3rd etc... It turns out this lock is actually quite easy to SPP with the pins binding in reverse order from 5th to 1st.

I do not have the key to examine, but the bitting depths on this particular lock are almost perfectly linear. As well as having success with several jiggler keys, I have been able to open this lock with 2 tension wrenches, using a long flat one in the top and really just moving it about while applying light tension to the bottom until it is in the right place. This is obviously a major flaw. I will keep an eye out for another 65/60 to compair bitting depths, but I assume that this problem is unique to this 1 particular lock.

The keyway is quite large, plenty of room to manipulate each pin individually without interfering with others.

Without going into detail about advanced topics, this lock is also good at handling other bypass methods.

I picked a friends 65/40 once (basically the same lock, but smaller) and it was a lot harder for me, I think mainly due to the smaller keyway and my lack of slimline picks.

[Squelchtone]

Without going into detail about advanced topics, this lock is also good at handling other bypass methods.

like comb attacks? =)

how do you find those work for you? I'm tempted to buy a set.

Thanks
Squelchtone

[LexDevil]

Are they OK to talk about in this section? I assume yes as you are a mod

I bought a set a while back from deal extreme, not had much luck with them to be honest only been able to open a couple of low end padlocks. Really hard to get a shim between the body and the shackle of the 65/60 also, and even if you're able to it's pretty much impossible to rotate without extreme force, more than likely breaking the shim.

They are just a gimmick really IMHO.

[Squelchtone]

Are they OK to talk about in this section? I assume yes as you are a mod

I bought a set a while back from deal extreme, not had much luck with them to be honest only been able to open a couple of low end padlocks. Really hard to get a shim between the body and the shackle of the 65/60 also, and even if you're able to it's pretty much impossible to rotate without extreme force, more than likely breaking the shim.

They are just a gimmick really IMHO.

I think its OK to mention they exist, but going into detailed instructions is what is usally frowned upon. Thanks for saving me some money, if they're more of a toy/gimmick, I'll stick to picking =)

[LexDevil]

There are actually a lot of videos on youtube of people having great success with them, I think that they are more effective in the US where keyways tend to be larger and straighter. I don't use them at all any more as they only fit a limited number of locks.

If you want to give them a go I would be more than willing to send them to you, they only cost me $11 and they are just taking up space here.