?'s about chains and locks

[MERTON]

are core hardening and triple heat treating the same thing?

what do ya'll think about the kryptonite fahgedeboudit and the onguard 5016? http://www.onguardlock.com/beastchain.html

http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscr ... em&pgrp=20

i have the faboudit but i want to move that to my front wheel and use the onguard for the rear.

are the disk cylinders good or even close to abus? i know they have plenty of disks (7 for the onguard i think).. but i wonder why an abus costs so much more ( lockitt.com ).

[WhiteHat]

ooo, the one on the left says "pick proof"

[skold]

i like it when lock companies lie

[MERTON]

i realize they ain't unpickable... but would they be hard to pick?

and does anyone know what triple heat treating is?

[poisoned]

I think those are ok.. But u must remember that a common thief will NOT try to pick your lock! U should get the biggest, strongest chain u can find.. And the shackle of the padlock must be protected like this: http://www.taymor.com/c09_security_hard ... 7-8840.jpg
The basic rule is that if the lock is cheap it's not good

[poisoned]

btw, are we talking about bicycle protection or what?

[Peaky]

are core hardening and triple heat treating the same thing?
as far as i know no they are not, triple heat treating is a myth and doesnt do anything but core hardening means that it is harder deeper in to the steel. The way a shckle or such like is made is that its done from a cheaper material, formed then case hardened, this is a process of adding carbon to the steel whilst red hot and makes the steel very hard but brittle the more times you do this process to an item the deeper the hardening goes, the item is then tempered to take the brittleness away. that is why cheap padlocks are hard to hacksaw but once a cut is made in to the surface they are easy to get through.

[MERTON]

yup. it's for my bike. i guess it will be good enough. those abus chains are just toooooooooo expensive. and i think some of the deterence is psychological anyway. so a 14mm chain and 16mm shackle should do, i guess.


ya'll can purchase the locks seperately. if any of you want's to try picking one. i'd be interested to see what ya'll can do.

http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-97433610438 ... odilo.html

http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-9743361043878/ogboxer.html

[Pickey]

Heh, i was feeling bored and i had nothing better to do so i sent an e-mail to Onguard locks company about their statement that the lock is pick proof. I just want to see what they write back Below is exactly what i wrote:
I was browsing through the products on the site and noticed that some locks claim to be pick proof. That is in fact a false claim. No lock is pick proof, every lock can be picked. I have been picking locks for a year, and i guarantee that i could pick every lock on the site in less than 10 minutes each.
I am only writing this because the site is providing false information, and could be held liable if a bike guarded by those locks is stolen through the process of picking the lock.

This was just for fun
I'll let ya know what their reply is (if they even do reply).

[MERTON]

are disk locks harder to pick than pin locks?

[Pickey]

It all depends.
An abloy disc lock will be harder than some $1 cheap pin lock.
But then a Medeco pin lock will be harder to pick than some $1 cheapo disc lock.

But overall i would say that pin locks are harder to pick. But i've not had as much experience with disc locks.