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More toys from Finland

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More toys from Finland

Postby GWiens2001 » 25 May 2013 11:00

Toys from Finland

Many thanks to Zeepia for the trade!

First, the family picture:

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A warded Elzett padlock, an ASSA oval that Zeepia made into a practice lock by drilling and tapping the caps :mrgreen: and another generic ASSA clone which Zeepia also made into a practice lock this one with a key. :-D

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An ASSA D12 with keys :mrgreen: (no luck picking that one yet, but I am trying!), a Boda (very nicely made. Picked it, but it took me some much needed practice to do so), and another one with lots of warding, but not nearly as bad to pick as I thought it would be.  It has a spool in the 3rd bitting that kept dropping the other pins, though.

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And three more padlocks.  An Optimus lever padlock, a Lås Bolaget with an owl on it (I love owls), both of those are Swedish, and a Hungarian Elzett padlock that functions surprisingly smoothly.

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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby kerti » 25 May 2013 12:04

Boda is Finland brand?
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby GWiens2001 » 25 May 2013 12:19

I am not sure. I received these locks from a friend in Finland, but there are locks from several countries in this group. Finland, Sweden and Hungary for certain, possibly more.

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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby ARF-GEF » 25 May 2013 13:10

I think Boda is Finnish :)
The Elzett is from me Gordon :D
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby mhole » 25 May 2013 13:38

The one with tons of warding is a Gege, probably a P-extra.
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby Wizer » 25 May 2013 23:48

Boda used to be Björkboda, an old Finnish lock factory started in 1889.
Then the locks were named Boda, later Abloy bought it.
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby ARF-GEF » 26 May 2013 4:20

The one with tons of warding is a Gege, probably a P-extra.

I too think it's a gege, but it's not a Pextra.
You see the little thing right below the keyway? That is not there on a Pextra :)

It might be an ANS-2 where the front carbide bit got lost or was not placed.

If you have a key could you maybe upload another photo with both the lock and the key Gordon? :)
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 May 2013 7:55

The key is leaning against the front of the lock. I'll grab the lock and key from the car and photograph both sides of the key for you.

The lock does not say GEGE on it. Does GEGE make locks that they do not put their names on? There is no name on the key, either. Will post the pic soon.

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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 May 2013 8:11

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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby fgarci03 » 26 May 2013 9:06

Is it me, or can the key be decoded by it's own warding?

That must be a hell to pick, have you done it?

As always, beautifull collection! :mrgreen:
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby ARF-GEF » 26 May 2013 12:48

That is not a Pextra, not an AP 4000, not an ANS-2. I cannot close out AP 2000 and AP 3000, but I don't think it is.
It could be a special version of ANS-2 witout the carbide bit and the special key, (the keys had is not traditional GEGE either).
The part of the key whcih bumps into the front of the lock looks almost like an aNS-2 too.
Could it be a gege ans (1)?
It doesn't look like any GEGE I know. It's almost like an ANS-2 but not sure.
Nor does it look like an EVVA A (or possibly an FPS), but that is the other significant making such complicated warding.
But it doesn't add up.
I think either I simply don't know this lock, or it is some kind of special version of GEGE ans-2.
The fact that that is one of the most intense warding I ever seen could support the special edition theory.
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby mhole » 26 May 2013 13:44

It's an ANS-2, the sintered carbide insert milling is present, but the insert has been dislodged. The key blank has the undercut on the shoulder to suite the insert, so it's fair to assume it was there at some point, but has been dislodged.
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby mhole » 26 May 2013 13:46

PS: It's definately gege, they make a lot of locks without the logo, I see them very commonly in the field, and have several in my collection.
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby ARF-GEF » 26 May 2013 14:45

Thanks for confirmation mhole! :)

The key blank has the undercut on the shoulder to suite the insert,

That is exactly what got me confused. If you take a look at the picture, I think the key blanks shows no undercut/ milling.
I may be wrong of course.

If you take a look the this picture, the third, upwards pointing key has the milling at the place it meets the lock. Unfortunately it's exactly the out-of-focus part, but I think you can still make it out. The milled out part appears darker. It is at the place where the key hits the front of the lock. (Shoulder is the tight expression i believe?) Compare that to the other side of the keys which is shown on the other 2 keys.
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The combination of the lack of the milling and the lack of the carbide bit confused me. But as I said I think you explanation is mote than plausible, so thanks for the confirmation! :)
Yes, the lack of name is not an uncommon thing with GEGE-s. I too have a gege without a name on it :)
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Re: More toys from Finland

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 May 2013 14:48

Thank you for the identification, mhole. :D

Here is a close-up of the keyway taken with my phone. Not clear, but you can see the warding better. Yes, I have picked it.

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