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Innovations in 2015

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Innovations in 2015

Postby MrRusswarez » 8 Jan 2015 14:13

Noke - 100% pick proof padlock
http://fuzdesigns.com/pages/Noke

August
http://www.august.com

Schlage Sense
http://ces.schlage.com

Welcome to 2015 :D
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby Valdo » 8 Jan 2015 15:08

Well, I'm not going to trust a electronic lock over a physical one, I think it's much easier for unwanted people to open such a door without making any noise,
A least if I have a normal lock silent entry will be much harder to achieve.

Nice to see they are already releasing the "lock of the future" though :D
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby nite0wl » 8 Jan 2015 15:23

Schuyler Towne did a rundown of current 'smart' locks in November (http://schuylertowne.com/blog/smart-locks) and included the August (so I won't address it). The Schlage Sense looks an awful lot like Yale's existing 'smart' lock design externally and seems to share most of its features with other existing designs which Schuyler addresses.

The Noke is certainly novel in its form factor (padlock instead of mortice latch or deadbolt replacement) but this really only makes it 'un-pickable' in the sense that traditional pick tools can't be used on it. If the photos on their site are accurate it looks like it has a cammed ball-bearing latching mechanism which should prevent any sort of traditional shimming attack and without a keyway obviously all the hooks and Bogotas in the world won't get you in, but until we get to teak it apart and examine it in detail I would definately not say it is un-pickable in a real practical sense. I won't go into all of the ideas that are occuring to me here (I think at least some veer into Advanced areas) but I will just say that at first glance a limited keyspace for the "Quick Click Access" feature is a likely decoding vulnerability (depending on their implementation), tool-less access to the battery compartment may present a bypass vulnerability, and I won't even get into the insecurity of Bluetooth and potentially unshielded microcontrollers. "Pick-proof", as long as you limit yourself to traditional tools, sure; but, never let a Gecko owner or any InfoSec or serious electronics people at hacker cons hear you say that.

All of that said, 'smart'-locks do have a cool factor and I love seeing them iterate and innovate, I just won't be putting one on my doors any time soon.
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby MrRusswarez » 8 Jan 2015 18:04

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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby nite0wl » 8 Jan 2015 20:30

That Kensington lock looks almost innovative. Actually I think it shares most of its mechanical concepts with the "remote release" device I had for my Minolta SR-T 100 (made 1971-1975, still works when I can find 35mm film and watch batteries). It was essentially a 'plunger' type button that pushed a stiff wire through an outer sleeve until it forced a thin steel rod out the other end of the housing with enough force to trip the shutter release lever (very useful for shots where you can't afford any wobble at all).

Still, as these things go it looks nice and should be easier to fit into modern laptop bags. It is always a shame to see some super sleek, ultra-modern, would-be 'work-of-art' laptop chained up in a store with one of those chunky old Kensington tubular locks.
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby MrRusswarez » 9 Jan 2015 8:48

nite0wl wrote:That Kensington lock looks almost innovative. Actually I think it shares most of its mechanical concepts with the "remote release" device I had for my Minolta SR-T 100 (made 1971-1975, still works when I can find 35mm film and watch batteries). It was essentially a 'plunger' type button that pushed a stiff wire through an outer sleeve until it forced a thin steel rod out the other end of the housing with enough force to trip the shutter release lever (very useful for shots where you can't afford any wobble at all).

Still, as these things go it looks nice and should be easier to fit into modern laptop bags. It is always a shame to see some super sleek, ultra-modern, would-be 'work-of-art' laptop chained up in a store with one of those chunky old Kensington tubular locks.


The SRT series is the best mechanical Minoltas.
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby dll932 » 26 Jan 2015 16:34

Towne mentions the Kaba-Mas X, which dovetails with my opinion: If you want an electronic lock use one that's time tested.
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby billdeserthills » 26 Jan 2015 17:09

dll932 wrote:Towne mentions the Kaba-Mas X, which dovetails with my opinion: If you want an electronic lock use one that's time tested.



Would that be the XO7, XO8 or the XO9? What happened to #1-6 I can't guess

That padlock would pop right open after seeing my Harbor Freight 36" bolt cutter
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby cledry » 26 Jan 2015 18:10

I broke a set of those bolt cutters on a cheap Master padlock.
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby billdeserthills » 26 Jan 2015 20:49

cledry wrote:I broke a set of those bolt cutters on a cheap Master padlock.



You don't know if they have been hardened correctly or not till you use them
Mine has cut off lots of Master #5 padlocks and they work great
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby dll932 » 27 Jan 2015 15:06

billdeserthills wrote:
cledry wrote:I broke a set of those bolt cutters on a cheap Master padlock.



You don't know if they have been hardened correctly or not till you use them
Mine has cut off lots of Master #5 padlocks and they work great

I just use a Dremel and a large emery wheel.:)
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby Squelchtone » 27 Jan 2015 15:41

oh hey everybody.. could we not go into destructive entry chatter please? :?
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby MrRusswarez » 15 May 2015 16:46

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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby tomasfuk » 15 May 2015 17:58

We don't exactly know what he's going to use it for, but it's capable of going through each combination in less than two seconds and can crack a lock open in no time.

Absolute nonsense. You cannot rotate the dial too fast, the inertia is a problem.
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Re: Innovations in 2015

Postby Squelchtone » 15 May 2015 18:13

tomasfuk wrote:
We don't exactly know what he's going to use it for, but it's capable of going through each combination in less than two seconds and can crack a lock open in no time.

Absolute nonsense. You cannot rotate the dial too fast, the inertia is a problem.


who/what are you quoting?
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