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Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

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Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Robotnik » 20 Apr 2015 19:52

I'm a fan of unusual master keyed locks - master rings, bicentric cylinders, even interchangeable cores. While perusing eBay one morning, I ran across one of these I'd previously not known existed - a Kwikset SmartKey bicentric cylinder, meant primarily for multifamily residential applications.

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Essentially, the master cylinder is hidden above the resident's cylinder, and is accessed by spinning the lock's faceplate. The master cylinder keyway is different (not a standard KW1), so duplicating would be difficult.

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Using a geared mechanism between the two cylinders' tailpieces, the change cylinder operates normally, while the master operates in the opposite direction from a standard deadbolt (when mounted on a LH door, it's CW to unlock and CCW to lock).

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Bought it ASAP for cheap, but after it showed up, found that the lower (change) cylinder didn't work. Tore it down and fixed it up; as the gut shots of the cylinder aren't any different from a normal SmartKey, I'll leave them out. After repair, both the master...

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…and change…

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…work like a charm.
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Big Jesse » 20 Apr 2015 19:57

Excellent review!!! thank you so much for this. im super jealous. feel free to sell it to me when your bored with it!!
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Pintickler » 20 Apr 2015 21:34

Totally cool, Robotnick. Do you have a picture of that nonKW1 blank ?
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby cheerIO » 20 Apr 2015 21:37

Man I hate SmartKeys.

But that is pretty dang cool.

I wouldn't mind having that in my collection, just not on my door. :D
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Pintickler » 20 Apr 2015 22:05

I wonder if the "master" cylinder is interchangeable with a non master Smartkey cylinder. Does anybody know ?
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Pintickler » 20 Apr 2015 22:11

cheerIO wrote:Man I hate SmartKeys.

But that is pretty dang cool.

I wouldn't mind having that in my collection, just not on my door. :D

I hate Smartkeys too...and I see them everywhere ! But I've never seen that bicentric one. I wouldn't mind having one to dissect.
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Robotnik » 20 Apr 2015 22:31

Pintickler wrote:Totally cool, Robotnick. Do you have a picture of that nonKW1 blank ?


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A couple photos of the keys. Master (leftmost key in the top photo; rightmost in the lower one) looks like a normal Kwikset blank with different warding and a slightly more 'filled in' bow.
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Robotnik » 20 Apr 2015 22:36

cheerIO wrote:Man I hate SmartKeys.

But that is pretty dang cool.

I wouldn't mind having that in my collection, just not on my door. :D


My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Robotnik » 20 Apr 2015 22:38

Pintickler wrote:I wonder if the "master" cylinder is interchangeable with a non master Smartkey cylinder. Does anybody know ?


As far as I can tell, with the proper tailpiece and spacer ring, the master cylinder could be swapped out for a normal one.
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby GWiens2001 » 20 Apr 2015 23:17

Nope. The SmartKey plugs do not have the proper pin channels for a normal plug.

And you may have seen them before and not known it, since you have to spin the faceplate to show the 'master' plug.

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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Robotnik » 20 Apr 2015 23:38

GWiens2001 wrote:Nope. The SmartKey plugs do not have the proper pin channels for a normal plug.

And you may have seen them before and not known it, since you have to spin the faceplate to show the 'master' plug.

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I took Pintickler's question to be whether the master cylinder is swappable for a normal SmartKey cylinder; appears that it can be interchanged in that case. I may have read his question incorrectly; definitely can't be swapped for a normal Kwikset pin tumbler cylinder.

You're definitely correct about these hiding in plain sight. My brother's apartment complex is keyed with these; it had always bothered me how a huge residential complex could function with SmartKey deadbolts (which aren't themselves master key-able), until I found out these exist. A quick spin of his front door deadbolt's faceplate, and I had my answer :D !
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Pintickler » 21 Apr 2015 11:28

You got it right, Robotnick. I was talking about another Smartkey cylinder. I wonder what that blank for the master cylinder is called ... KW2 ?
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby jeffmoss26 » 21 Apr 2015 11:41

Very cool, thanks for sharing!
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby MBI » 21 Apr 2015 12:26

For those of you who were wanting one of these, I got one of these countertop demo units for free back when this lock was first introduced just by asking my Kwikset factory rep for one. If you are a locksmith and know who your rep is, might be worth trying this route.
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Re: Bicentric Kwikset SmartKey - Partial Teardown

Postby Pintickler » 21 Apr 2015 12:53

I was just wondering what would happen if the master key ever got lost. Assuming all master cylinders are gonna get "re keyed", it sure would be nice to have a working key. At the risk of asking a dumb question, can a Smartkey cylinder be decoded ?
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