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Picking Open a Screw Lock

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Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 Feb 2016 18:10

Picking A Screw Lock

Many of us have seen the screw locks before. Typically very cheap quality. But how do they work, and how do you pick one?

First, for those who are not familiar with the locks we are speaking of, they look like this.

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How do they work? Well, here is some of my famous artwork depicting the inside of the lock and key. No, am not an artist by any stretch of the imagination, but I can get the idea across.

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There are not many parts. The lock body, the shackle, the plunger/screw assembly and a spring. The key is a stepped tube with a threaded interior. No pics of the keys, because I got them without keys.

To open the lock, you put the key into the keyway until it stops, then start turning it. The screw inside the lock then gets picked up by the threads of the key. The key will wind down until the stepped part of the key contacts the face of the keyway. At that time, when you keep turning the key, the screw is drawn up into the key, pulling the plunger up, compressing the spring. Once the plunger is pulled back enough to clear the notch in the shackle, the shackle can be opened.

This is the edge of the plunger that functions as a locking dog that holds the shackle locked until the screw is pulled towards the keyway by the key.

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OK, how to pick the lock. After all, that is what we do here, right? :twisted:

First, estimate the diameter and thread pitch of the screw inside the lock. A flashlight can help.

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This one should be close enough. Note: You do not need to use a screw to pick this lock. The screw is so I can demonstrate partly what is happening inside the lock.

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Next, get some tubing that is about the same diameter in the inside as the outside of the screw.

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Crimp the tube about 1/4" to 3/8" (about 6-8 mm) up from the end. This is so the end is wide enough for the screw of the lock to fit, but that it narrows enough for the threads of the screw to catch and hold.

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Now you can screw the tube onto the threads of the screw inside the lock. The screw used in the picture can help a little if you are able to correctly estimate the thread pitch, since it will start threads in the tube. Imagine this is inside the lock, the tube threads onto the screw of the lock perhaps half way the length of the screw. DO NOT thread the tube down so far that it bottoms out on the screw.

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Put the end of the tube in a vise, and thread the lock onto the tube.

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When the tube is tight, then use a tool to pry the lock up away from the vise.

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As you lift the lock away from the vise, the plunger will pull away from the shackle. (The lock is unlocked for these pics so you can see).

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Once the plunger is pulled away from the shackle a short distance, the shackle toe can be removed from the lock body.

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OPEN!!!

Hope this helps explain how these locks function, and how to pick them. Making a key would be as simple as cutting threads of the correct pitch in a tube, and add a washer partway up the tube that would allow the key to fit maybe 2/3 of the length of the lock body. Solder or epoxy the washer in place, and add a key bow so you have a little leverage to turn the tube. (It does not take much effort if there are decent threads in the tube). Will make a key someday, perhaps soon, and post the pics as an addition to this thread.

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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby MBI » 26 Feb 2016 19:07

Aaaaaaand another sticky for Gordon!
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby kwoswalt99- » 13 Mar 2016 15:29

Good/creative idea! I always go a more complicated route for doing things, when often there's a simpler solution.
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby Squelchtone » 13 Mar 2016 22:41

very clever Gordon, yet another great pictorial. How old do you suppose such locks are and where were they common?

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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Mar 2016 22:46

IIRC, they were invented a couple hundred years ago. Rumors say that the design came from China, and other rumors say India. Possibly both. I'd see if MacGyver101 knows more detailed information. They are still being made while in India, China, and many other places. Some have even been made here in the United States, though of significantly better quality.

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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby kwoswalt99- » 15 Mar 2016 18:19

GWiens2001 wrote:IIRC, they were invented a couple hundred years ago. Rumors say that the design came from China, and other rumors say India. Possibly both. I'd see if MacGyver101 knows more detailed information. They are still being made while in India, China, and many other places. Some have even been made here in the United States, though of significantly better quality.

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Some are much older than that. Yours looks European.
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 15 Mar 2016 18:42

kwoswalt99- wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:IIRC, they were invented a couple hundred years ago. Rumors say that the design came from China, and other rumors say India. Possibly both. I'd see if MacGyver101 knows more detailed information. They are still being made while in India, China, and many other places. Some have even been made here in the United States, though of significantly better quality.

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Some are much older than that. Yours looks European.


I've heard a thousand or more years, but would rather err on the side of 'younger'. :wink:

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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby C locked » 16 Mar 2016 5:55

If i were a betting man id bet india
Technologically speaking india has had those water clocks for ages
And those use a screw mechanism (a mechanism machined like a screw)

And excellent write up

Id think that rather then having a fixed key head
That having one t handle like, that has a hollow u shape, that pivots in the centre
Where the end that pivots toward the tip (screw end of the key)
Has an edge cut to allow it to rest(hold open)

Think the southord jackknife pickset, where the pivot of the picks is closer to the centre
And the picks themselves are the screw
when its screwed in(done when t handle)
You would open the screw to the fully
open position(could even lever the pick lock screw)
In opening the edge would ride up and retract the spring latch

Of course the lock could be rapped
Or a pick could be made by altering a pair of "foreceps" Type Key extraction tool
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby rphillips52 » 8 Jan 2017 12:07

The OP's lock is, probably, European and and probably German? unless anyone knows better?

Two models of screwkey padlock have been made in some numbers in Britain.
Abraham Thompson made a sheet-iron lock, usually japanned. Originals have a crown-shaped brass plate on the side stamped (usually somewhat indistinctly) with a Design Registration diamond mark for 1843. The internally-threaded key has a shoulder and will not enter far into the lock. When it turns, it draws the threaded rod into the tube thus opening the lock; or the key can be simply pulled after a turn to grip the rod. The spring is so strong rapping is practically infeasible. The company merged with Jonah Banks in 1912; Banks went into receivership 1993. The lock continued to be wholesaled by Benjamin Walters through the 1930's, in 2", 2½", and 3" (only the 2½" is at all common) but those were marked only with 'Regd.' and Walters' Staffordshire knot and 'W'. Many of Thompson's padlocks including the screwkey type were supplied to America in the 19C.

A cast-brass body screwkey padlock was also made in some numbers. Sometimes called a 'dutch pattern', it was certainly made by Hiatts from 1947 into the 1970's but there were earlier makers. The darby-pattern handcuff keys are not interchangeable. These locks were popular with Water Boards for gates etc., being inexpensive, robust and weather-resistant. At the time of the Investiture of the Prince of Wales in 1969, a gang of Free Wales Army terrorists removed the padlock from its cover and blew up a valve on a water pipeline. Shortly afterwards, Ingersoll Locks received a large order for Impregnable padlocks and some Water Boards discarded unused new stock screwkey padlocks from their stores.

A piece of soft-ish tube, e.g. brass, with a rough edge, inserted over the threaded rod, pressed sideways and pulled, can often open screwkey locks, though is less effective on the Thompson as it cannot enter far, and the end of the rod is often worn too smooth to be easily gripped.
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 8 Jan 2017 12:15

Great history lesson on these locks! Thank you, rphillips52 . :D

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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby rphillips52 » 8 Jan 2017 12:19

I'm not registered with any image-hosting sites.
There is a picture of the Thompson screwkey lock here
http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/ ... sontb3.jpg
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby rphillips52 » 8 Jan 2017 13:24

I have not seen a brass screwkey padlock since the 1970's. Being good brass and weighing 220g, they were likely scrapped when their insecurity was exposed so publicly.

(My memory might be in error. The water main bombing was perhaps 1968; and the bombers might have been Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru (MAC - the Movement to Defend Wales). Apart from 2 bombers who blew themselves up whilst planting a bomb, only the bomb-maker and one other gang member were arrested and imprisoned. No further publicity was provided by arresting any of the other score of gang members.)

Vincent ERAS (whose collection became Lips' Collection) attributed the OP's type of lock to Spain.
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby Tarehjerne » 4 Mar 2020 16:48

I was expecting to see one of those locks with a triangle shaped key, or other weird form, but this was very interesting. thank you for sharing
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Re: Picking Open a Screw Lock

Postby nothumbs » 6 Mar 2020 20:25

https://unitedlocksmith.net/blog/the-history-of-padlocks

About half way down the page. Looks like they were actively used in the 1800's, and faded out around 1910.

Also take a look at #2 on this page https://unitedlocksmith.net/blog/10-strange-locks-you-never-knew-existed
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