gerda tytan

[budrys]

Is it possible to open lock gerda tytan, beacouse I heard is immposible.

[DeadlyHunter]

nothing is impossible

[DeadlyHunter]

oops, hit submit to fast, anyway, it would be helpful if you told us which lock you were talking about because there are about three different ones in that same line.

[budrys]

It is like pipe, it have 16 pin )from evry site is for pin) and it have 4 000 000 000 000 combinations pin. clase C. In the internet is nothink about it.

[DeadlyHunter]

you would most likely need special tools but the number of combinations has nothing to do with how difficult it is to pick. Everything that man makes is imperfect and therefore has flaws (everything can be picked). Just look at the 'high security' bike locks that could be picked with a pen cap.

[Al]

I thought they only had 4 000 000 000 combinations! The pins are chunky and the locks made in Poland. Only difficulty is access and the fact that there's sixteen pins.
And you might have to pick them three times to open the door.

[budrys]

It was not mistake, there is 4 000 000 000 000 ( thousand billion ) combination. There is sixteen pin and every pin have 4 position arrangement, and I dont have idea to open this lock. Tomorrow I give you photo of this lock.

[budrys]

http://www.lockpicking.pl/download.php?id=19
Here is photo of this lock from inside.

[budrys]

sorr first you must log in on this forum, but I try give you this photo in different way.

[Al]

Pedants corner.
4 to the power sixteen = 4 294 967 296

I'm quite sure the lock could be opened in several ways, none of them particularly easy. It would be time consuming to say the least.

[MK]

I have a fair bit of experience of Gerda locks, whilst in theory they have 16 pins, in practice they may have less, particularly if part of a master keyed suite, as they use a system of missing pins rather than master pins for master keying. For straight picking you would need to pick the lock anywhere between 4 anf 8 (two key revolutions) times before the bolt released (depending on how well fitting the door etc. is) There are 4 depths of cut on the key which are easily visable from a fair distance (I refer to them as none, small, mediium and large) and the keys are very easy to make in a modestly equiped workshop so decodeing the lock may well be an option. A serious weakness in the master keying system is that it is possible to work out how to make a master key if you have access to as few as three "normal" keys, even if you only have access to the keys for a few minutes!