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Master 220 pin stuck in plug casing.

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Master 220 pin stuck in plug casing.

Postby helix » 29 Jun 2005 8:08

Hey guys, I got myself a Master 220 today and thought I'd kill, errrr, disassemble it.
I did a search (Master AND 220) and found out how to do it and
what to watch out for.
It all went well, but when I went to take out the driver pins there were
no springs that followed.
Anyway, the removed plug was a little hard to turn with the key and I noticed
that I must have mangled a spring because the spring was mangled.
I got the mangled spring bits out and the plug now turns freely in its
casing.
It seems that there is missing spring. I have:

2x bent springs
1x stuck in the plug casing spring
1x mangled bits pin
(maybe I just can't see or feel the other spring)

So I go to repin the plug casing (with no springs) and I realise
there is a spring stuck in there. I thought at first that the pin was just
a little stuck and needed a gentle push so I gently pushed it.
That's when I knew that it was a spring in there so I dumped the other
pins to get the spring out and finally my question:

How do I get a stuck pin out of its hole?
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jul 2005 8:35

Have you got a stuck pin or a stuck spring?

Either way the answer is the same, knock the lock on the table until it comes out, if its jammed bend a paper clip or try a hook pick and prise it out, spray the lock with wd40 a little if its stuck,
you need to buy new springs anyway so another damaged one wont matter,

If you are reassembleing the lock with no springs so you can still pick it dont bother as it will be totally differant to a proper pickable lock.
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Postby helix » 2 Jul 2005 11:54

Thanks, Shrub.

I've tried knocking it and tapping it till the cows come home, also tried lubricants too.

I don't know why I repinned it with no springs, and you are right, it
is totally different to try and pick.

I am thinking as a last resort to put the tiniest amount of super glue
on the end of a paperclip and try to pull it out and just sand the dried
superglue off the pin. (I don't have spares). There is no room
at all to pry it out.
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jul 2005 12:21

Dont put glue anywhere near it! capilary action will drw it up all over the pin and you will never get it out,

You have the plug out right and you have a pin stuck in one of the chambers right,

You could drill a very small hole from the top and push a paper clip through that and try and push the pin out,

Try and push the pin in more, even if the spring is damaged you should still get some movement if fully compressed so keep pushing it in with lubricant and it may free it self,

If you have been useing any bits and bobs to stick in the lock its possable you have burred over the end of the pin chamber, if this is so lighly file/sand the edge to deburr it and see if that helps,

Simmer the lock in a pot of oil, use light oil and dont get it smoking, just a bit hotter than warm is fine, do this for a while and periodically check for any movement in the pin,

Try to get a pic or a scan showing the actual problem, dont need to see the lock or anything just the bore showing the chambers with the stuck pin will do.
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Postby helix » 2 Jul 2005 22:22

Shrub wrote:
You could drill a very small hole from the top and push a paper clip through that and try and push the pin out


That worked a treat, thanks a heap, Shrub.
I used a really small drill bit and it broke :oops:
but it left a pin prick so small that it turned
out even better than I hoped.

Thanks again, Shrub.
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Postby Shrub » 3 Jul 2005 10:38

No worries, glad to be of help,

Some people actually drill and tap the tops of the pin chambers so they can repin them very easily for picking, dont know whether you want to go down that route at a later date or not but you already have a pilot hole in one of them,

Another tip, the smaller the drill the faster you need to run it and the more important it is to keep it straight either way youve done it well done.
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