Dimple lock problem

by **cracksman** » 19 Jul 2005 20:14

I'm getting a bit bored with my 5-6 pin locks. So I pulled out a Sargent dimple I got awhile back. It has 8 pins plus 3 on a side-bar (all the same depth). I can set many of the pins but I can't get the little #$%@ to open. I could really use some advice, or any tips on the best types of picks to use, the order etc. If this is only for the advanced forums can someone at least pm me a tip :cry:

by **n2oah** » 19 Jul 2005 20:50

Sargents make me happy

Try to take apart the lock and see if it has a checkpin or something alike. (it might not, that's what the sidebar is for) Thats all I can think of.

by **cracksman** » 19 Jul 2005 21:02

It has 11 pins total (it's a mortice so I can see through the back), I have no idea how to take it apart, it may need a control key? I took the tailpiece off and have the key but no luck

N2oah, have you picked a similiar lock before? I was able to bump it open but I can't pick it. I also don't have any interest in raking it open...well I'll keep researching, thanks for your input

by **vector40** » 19 Jul 2005 21:09

O_O Sargent makes dimple locks?

by **n2oah** » 19 Jul 2005 21:12

I think there is something on the key or in the lock that you didn't notice. If you can bump it open, but not pick it, that may mean that there is an cut or something being depressed by the key that you didn't notice. Try picking it again and see if your luck changes, if not, the i suggest feeling around with a hook pick inside of the lock.

by **n2oah** » 19 Jul 2005 21:17

weren't these the same lock you mentioned in this thread http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=8383&highlight=sargent+dimple+locks
Did you ever hear from the seller again, I'd order 4-5 of them, they sound interesting! [/url]

by **cracksman** » 19 Jul 2005 21:17

Yep, I think they have made them for a long time. Am I mistaken?

by **cracksman** » 19 Jul 2005 21:26

Yeah, n2oah, I haven't been able to talk to the guy again, same lock though. If you want pm me your address and I'll send you one of the two with a key.
I've honestly only spent a couple serious hours over the last month on it, but now it is really my only challenge. I'm sure like everything else, I'll laugh at how simple it is but for now-grrrrr.

p.s. if I run into anymore I'll give you a p.m.

thanks

by **n2oah** » 26 Jul 2005 19:03

I got the lock in the mail yesterday

At first I thought "wow, 22 pins", but then I realized that that was so the key could be inserted either way.
I played around with it for quite awhile when I first got it and after awhile I finally opened it. I was using a flat piece of steel to poke at the pins on the sides, and then set the sidebar pins with the same piece of steel. After than, it still hadn't opened, but I kept poking at it with the pick I had made and also kept tension on the lock. I was using tension from the back of the lock (I know, I know... I shouldn't be cheating like that) Operating the lock with the key was quite hard, the keys were so old that you had to pull with some force to get the key out. (or that some of the pins were completely flat on the ends)

by **cracksman** » 3 Aug 2005 19:59

Nice job

Can you pick it with a regular pick, single pin?

I didn't realize you had posted a reply until today, now I have to pick mine!!!!

by **cracksman** » 3 Aug 2005 20:02

sorry for the double post, how thick was the steel you used?

by **n2oah** » 3 Aug 2005 20:30

I'm not exactly sure how thick it is, but it was just a sweeper bristle. I soaked the lock in WD-40 for about 8 hours today and it seemed to provide better feedback. The problems with the key sticking also have been solved by the soaking. Are you good friends with a lockie that he cut you a bumpkey for this lock (I'm not even sure a locksmith in my area has blanks for it, let alone cut me a bumpkey for it!), or did you do it yourself?
Also to my suprise, Sargent still makes the "keso" series lock http://www.sargentlock.com/products/cylinders/line_detail.php?line_id=184&
It's kind of a shame that engineers spend so much time on designing a lock that is "pick-proof", but easily bumped.

Do any of these eBay userid's ring a bell? "donthelocksmith" is selling a similar keso dimple lock, and so is "goldenguinna".

by **cracksman** » 3 Aug 2005 21:41

As far as the ebay names, nope. It is a shame, I would like to donate a bunch to LSI. I'm actually surprised you had a tough time with the key, it worked like new when I sent it (probably banged around in shipping). As for the bump key, I used a drill bit (drill press would be much easier) The nice thing is if you screw up you can try the other side of the key. I'm not at all anti-bumping, it just isn't one of my interests at the moment, I don't even rake

I really like single pin picking, call me a purist :twisted:

If you want to make a bump key I have another 10 or so keys, I can send you half, they go to my lock, but since they are to be drilled it doesn't matter (the other half is when I get over my phase and want to bump). You are going to have to get the right bit, but it shouldn't be a problem. Just test some by putting them in the key and check the angle. If you are going to try it let me know I'll give you some more specifics.

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