Sargent 8200 Series

[schoolglutton]

I was recently able to get ahold of a loose Sargent 8200 cylinder and after a difficult 22 minutes later was able to get it open. This one was 6 pins. I also looked on Sargent's website and saw two other higher security locks on there (not sure if the cylinders were different or not). I would be interested in finding out more about particular locks and how they are constructed but when looking at the websites of the companies they basically only have instructions on how to install them. I was able to find that this was a grade one security lock, which is supposed to be good according to another site I found.

I used a regular pickset in order to do this with a quick taping mixed with pushing technique. I would have looked more at the structure of the lock but it had a hard casing and it wasn't mine to try to take apart. Is there anyway I can find out more about high security locks according to individual models? I've heard of some top pins that are designed to get caught in the shear line when tension is applied before the pins are set and was wondering if this lock had that. Maybe that's why it was such a pain. Also, I apologize if this lock didn't belong in this forum.

[cracksman]

http://protections-vol.com/
I don't speak French myself, however, much of it is in English. Follow the links, they contain many interesting diagrams.

hope this helps

[schoolglutton]

Merci. Je sais un peau Francais, mais il est mauvais. Pour maintenant, c'est bon.

Still a good site in spite of having to look up every other word. The visuals were my main interest. Thanks. I may not be able to respond to other posts for awhile due to being out of town, but feel free to go ahead. I'll be sure to look at them when I get back and I'd hate to miss out on ideas.

[shadow2]

You can try contacting SARGENT "tech" support for cylinders, they should have some info they can send you on Signature, Keso, Keso F-1 and Assa V-10 cylinders. They also have UL-10C compliant cylinders which have mushroom shaped top pins.

[n2oah]

http://protections-vol.com/

The more I look at that site, the more it pisses me off. Why does it? Because I'll probably never be able to open one of those locks.

[cracksman]

Bah,
N2oah, haven't you only been picking for about 4 months?
You already have a lot of skill, If people can take the time
to imagine and make them, we just have to invest the time
in learning how to crack them Of course they actually
get paid to create them while we have to pay to buy them
and spend countless hours of our own labor opening them

They are some nice locks though aren't they

Here is another link, I can't remember who found it:
http://www.schell-collection.com/start_eng.html
A lot of it is in German, some of the craftmanship is incredible.

[shadow2]

We also try to add things to make picking more difficult. Extra shear lines, offset pins, fake shear lines.

[Varjeal]

P.S. Extra shear lines don't make a lock more difficult.

Also, 8200 series is the # for the locking mechanism. The mortise cylinder you have could be of any of hundreds of brands. Did the cylinder actually say Sargent on it? If so, it's likely a 6 or 7 pin.

[schoolglutton]

Varjeal,

I was wondering about that with the series number. I counted 6 pins when I was working on it, the most I've ever done. It also said Sargent on the face of the cylinder. I no longer have access to the lock, however.

[vector40]

Offset pins? Seems like that'd make picking easier; bind order would be extremely distinct.

[Varjeal]

Ah then it was a Sargent original...A lot of those have some fairly tight keyways requiring small tipped tools to reach in.