Is this Bump key made correct???

by **Chrispy** » 22 Sep 2005 7:23

How about the standard C4 keyways?

by **Chrispy** » 22 Sep 2005 17:38

C4 = Standard Lockwood. Sorry. :oops:

Thanx

by **qwerty125** » 22 Sep 2005 22:46

I have two locks on my door.. one has a face plate over it and another is a deadbolt.. both have no names inscribed on it.. are these just cheap no name brands or are the names usually inscribed somewhere else? I'd really like to get a set of bump keys for my locks at home.

by **digital_blue** » 22 Sep 2005 23:55

rayman452 wrote:...abus, master, guard, american, weiser, kwickset, schilege, defiant, DI.

I'm pretty sure that Defiant is Kwikset, just rebranded for Home Depot. Somebody fill me in if I'm wrong here. Seems to be the same 1176 keyway.

db

by **chopitup** » 23 Sep 2005 3:20

From what I remember from a Toool video for the Mul-T-Lock bump key... you do in fact cut to the lowest (#4) depth. When all of the pins are set to #4 it will leave holes through the key, but it will still function perfectly well as a bump key.

by **E-Mind** » 23 Sep 2005 9:11

looking at the pdf, I do not see holes going through the key.
http://www.toool.nl/bumping.pdf

by **n2oah** » 23 Sep 2005 15:39

chopitup wrote:From what I remember from a Toool video for the Mul-T-Lock bump key... you do in fact cut to the lowest (#4) depth. When all of the pins are set to #4 it will leave holes through the key, but it will still function perfectly well as a bump key.

That was another dimple lock with pins on both the top and bottom. The deepest depth that you could cut was a 4 if there was a 6 on one side.
And the deepest depth for a Multlock is a 5 :wink:

by **devildog** » 23 Sep 2005 16:04

That was another dimple lock with pins on both the top and bottom. The deepest depth that you could cut was a 4 if there was a 6 on one side.

That was probably a DOM.

Mul-T-Locks ARE cut on both sides, BUT those cuts are on different sides of the key relative to the other set of cuts, i.e. if there's cuts on one side on the left then the cuts on the opposing side would be on the right, in other words cuts on the opposite side are not only on the other side but they're also on the other other side, too, so it wouldn't really matter if you made the deepest possible cuts in both areas, which wouldn't make any sense because the opposing cuts are just an exact copy of the other ones (the two sets of cuts are identical, in other words) simply for convenience so that the user can insert the key either way and it will work--Mul-T-Locks only have one row of pins, not two on opposing sides as one may initially erroneously believe...Got it?

Not sure if that cleared anything up or made it worse...

Oh, for Chris%'s sake just go look at a bloody picture or something and you'll get it. And no one better ask "duuuuurrrr, uhhh, where can I get dee picture froooom, huh, huh??"--WELL HOW ABOUT MUL-T-LOCK'S FRIGGIN' WEBSITE, HHHHUUUUHHH YOU MORON???!!?!?! THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO START, DON'TCHA THINK??!?! Then maybe security.org which has only been mentioned on this forum a COUPLE BILLION TIMES!!!! *devildog turns completely red, grows horns and fangs, and starts to slobber*

by **digital_blue** » 23 Sep 2005 16:06

Wow. What a rant. But... is "For Chrispy's sake" really appropriate for this forum?

db

by **Chrispy** » 23 Sep 2005 21:14

Meh, people do a lot of things for my sake.

I've learnt to deal with it. :wink:

devildog, 10/10 on the rant. Well done.

by **davidgjr** » 26 Sep 2005 21:06

You can usually open the door and see the name brand of the lock on the edge of the door on the mounting plate that the bolt goes through. There are many locks other than Defiant that use the KW1 keyway. I think the Black and Decker Lock is a repackaged kwikset, but the others are not. They most of the time use the same depth and spacing specs as kwikset. However, the other day I came across a lock that the plug cylinder was about ten thousands of an inch smaller than your standard cylinder. It had no name on it anywhere. My regular plug follower would not go through it. The spacing and keyway was the same though.

by **LodeRunner** » 10 Oct 2005 4:15

devildog wrote:I think it would be not only 'awesome', but a particularly lucrative idea for someone on this forum with a key cutter of some type (doesn't have to be a locksmith as I'm sure there's a few hobbiests on here who have been at it long enough or are serious enough about it to have a key cutter) to cut a whole bunch of bump keys for common locks that there would be a relatively high demand for bumpkeys for, i.e. schlage, kwikset, master, american, best, falcon, brinks, yale, kaba, etc., and then other more scarce/high-security lock bumpkeys, i.e. multlock, dom, medeco, assa, abus, primus, chubb, ikon, evva, etc., could be cut on request for a custom, and of course slightly higher, price.

I really don't see any sort of ethical issue arrising for a locksmith or anyone else doing this, as it's about as easy, if not easier, to make bumpkeys as it is lockpicks, in fact it is easier because all you really need is a key and couple of files, as opposed to hacksaw blades, bench grinder, sandpaper, dremel, vice, etc. for picks.

Someone with a key cutter REALLY ought to jump on top of this, because there WOULD be a REALLY high demand for it, so you could charge a very fair price and feel good about that, AND you'd be putting a good bit of coin in your pocket...And I wouldn't have to keep buying whole friggin' sets of space and depth keys just to get the bloody 999 key to make a bump key out of for a single lock!

After manging several Weisers and a Kwikset, I'd have to agree. It's not like effective picking tools aren't already availible to the public (pick guns, etc.) You wouldn't even need a code cutting machine to do this; all you'd need is a key duplicator and some working bump keys.

by **Keyring** » 10 Oct 2005 4:36

LodeRunner: You probably missed the fact that someone already offered to do this, in this thread. A fair degree of interest was demonstrated by other posts, and then suddenly all the related posts were deleted. As there is now no record of this fact, it might be easy for this cycle to be repeated, which would be a waste of time for all concerned.

by **Auto45** » 16 Oct 2005 17:41

My first one I made looks just like that and it got stuck in the lock, I am going to have to take the thing apart and hope I can get it out or I have to replace the cylinder.
auto

by **sublime progie** » 16 Oct 2005 19:12

I would be glad to make bump keys for people as soon as i can afford to get a depth guide and some sort of spacer. weather it is spacer keys or the foley belsaw spacer upgrade. i will post again when that happens if noone has taken up the job.

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