whats the point of electric pics?

[digital_blue]

The electric pick gun vibrates the pins up and down which will put the pins above the shearline. It does this very fast so it is like very fast raking. Because of its speed it can use a large number of random assortments that will eventually set the pins at the shear line.

Raking=time+luck. Electrical picking=luck.

I think this sort of misses the point to an electric pick. It's not about random assortments at all, but using physics to drive all the top pins about the shear line at the sime time.

db

[Keyring]

Hi DB. I don't want to challenge another moderator and get unpopular and banned and so on , but I have to put my oar in here. There are a lot pre-conceptions which need challenging every now and again.

A manual pick gun hits the pins all at the same time, and because of the billiard ball effect, the top pins fly up into the top chamber. If you can time your plug turning to coincide with this, the plug will turn.

If you use an electric pick, this is what happens on the FIRST hit. Then all the pins will fly up into the top chamber, and then depending on the spring strength/ pin weight combination will be pushed back down at DIFFERENT TIMES to the original position. In the meantime the electric pick starts another cycle. If the cycle time of the pick is slower than the rise and fall of the largest (slowest) pin, then you are totally right. However if the pick vibrates faster than this, then the next cycle of the pick will cause the lower pins which are not in contact with higher pins to rise until they hit upper pins on their way down. At this time the lower pins will stop where they are and the upper pins will start up again.

After a few cycles both lower and upper pins will be in random positions, and it could be said that a randomly timed applied turn with the torque wrench has a statistical chance of happening at a moment when the upper pins are in the upper chambers and the lower pins in the lower chambers.

So in my opinion it all depends on the speed of the pick vibration compared with the time constant of the spring and pin mass. In one case it will be like a manual pick clicked again and again, and in the other there will just be a range of random pin positions in which you have a statistical chance of applying torque at the correct instant.

By the way if anyone has any hard facts about these two frequencies (pick cycle versus spring/pin) it would be interesting to hear.

[Mad Mick]

I don't have any hard facts, or other facts to be honest, but from what is said above, it is quite likely that the lower pins could be across the shearline at any time after the initial hit. Therefore, I would think that the best method for using an electric pick would be to pulse the switch, allowing the pins to reset frequently.

Having never owned/used a manual or electric pick, this is just my thoughts, but since I have 2c in my pocket....why not?

[pinky]

pulsating the switch does help considerably, but most of all whilst using any electropick , feathering the tension constantly also helps and helps for a quick opening.

fact, on the whole the electropick does speed up the opening when tensioned and used correctly, super electric picks such as the wendt and mulitipick guns bounce up to 44000 bounces per minute, and are far quicker openings than conventional pick guns and manual pick guns if tensioned correctly.

[digital_blue]

Alrighty then. I stand corrected.

And nobody ever gets banned for disagreeing with a mod. In fact, feel free to disagree with me just about any time you want. I can be wrong too. I must have taken off my uber leet "mod knows everything" cape when I wrote that.

Cheers!

db