Whom sells Laser Track Simulator Keys In The U.S.A?

by **Auto45** » 17 Nov 2005 3:12

Anyone know whom might sell them in the U.S.A?

You may PM me if you like.

Thanks
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by **TOWCH** » 17 Nov 2005 3:54

Why are they called laser track keys anyway? Are they actually cut with a laser or are they milled?

by **Omikron** » 17 Nov 2005 4:45

TOWCH wrote:Why are they called laser track keys anyway? Are they actually cut with a laser or are they milled?

It would seem unreasonable to think that they use a burning/cutting laser to actually remove the metal. It would be difficult and inefficient to do so. More than likely, it is merely laser GUIDED, as a CNC machine would be. Most of the things that you buy that are "laser-cut" are merely cut mechanically by systems that are guided by lasers.

Another, much more likely, possibility is that whoever first designed these keys started calling them "laser" keys as a marketing term, because of the shape of the cut, not because of the method by which it was cut. This is much like companies claiming their products are "lightyears" ahead of the rest, or that it was made using some "space-age" material.

by **vector40** » 17 Nov 2005 5:06

I seem to remember Varj mentioning at one point or another that they're just milled.

by **Shrub** » 17 Nov 2005 6:35

I have a laser machine, they are just milled, no laser guideing, in fact i think the only laser thats been anywhere near them would be one that was used to set the machine up that makes them,

CNC doesnt use lasers either :wink:

by **Chrispy** » 17 Nov 2005 7:08

Indeed, there's no real 'laser' per se. The machine is hooked up to a PC and the key program on the PC tells the machine the cuts and spacings. It's a matter of installing the right cutter and making sure the blank is in the right spot.

Our Quattrocode costs around $60-$70,000 complete.

The competing locksmith company around the corner just purchased one for $90,000 :lol:

by **Shrub** » 17 Nov 2005 7:35

Obviously thats if you want to cut to code, you can get them that are just copiers and are a fraction of the price.
They use a stylus that follows the original key just like a normal key copier does except its in a vertical situation,

My machine as does Chrispy's will also do dimple keys etc.

by **Chrispy** » 17 Nov 2005 7:41

Yeah, this machine does cut-to-codes on a range of different keys, not just auto. Although, when a customer brings in an auto key, we cut the new key back to factory specs for them.

by **raimundo** » 17 Nov 2005 10:27

The misnomer 'laser trac' was started because people need a name to describe a specific type of milling, its generally understood now, and easier to say than router track or any other means of describing the particular type of milling. If anyone knows or can devise a better name for them, that is so discriptive that anyone would immediatly know what is being refered to, this might be the time to change the description. but if its also a misnomer just let laser trac be, since its already common.

by **raimundo** » 17 Nov 2005 10:30

side track, or side groove, single groove, double groove, etc each of these is two short words like laser track and slightly more discriptive, can anyone come up with better

by **Auto45** » 17 Nov 2005 10:41

I am sure that they are milled, they are just real good quality auto jigglers keys. That cost 4 times as much as others, but like one person said the cost of the machine that cut these are $90K and I can see why they cost so much, but I only see them for sell in the UK or Germany.

I could have tried to used them last night on a VW Jetta might have worked, had to air wedge the door open(Jiffy-Jak)what she paid me would have bought these keys. There is the LITTLE JOE PICK II it picks high security BMW 4-Track and VW/Audi 2-Track vehicles cost $700.00 its sold in the USA.
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by **zeke79** » 17 Nov 2005 10:51

The little joe pick works great but the cost is really up there. You just need to gauge whether or not you will pay back the cost of the tool in a reasonable amount of time. If you get 1 or 2 jobs per year to open these vehicles it is probably best to skip it although it will likely be far more effective than jigglers. I say likely because I have not tried the jigglers before.

by **Auto45** » 17 Nov 2005 11:10

zeke79 wrote:The little joe pick works great but the cost is really up there. You just need to gauge whether or not you will pay back the cost of the tool in a reasonable amount of time. If you get 1 or 2 jobs per year to open these vehicles it is probably best to skip it although it will likely be far more effective than jigglers. I say likely because I have not tried the jigglers before.

It just might be better for me to get the little joe then, I live in Orange County California and half the cars out here are high-end cars, they use laser-track locks/disc tumblers.

by **TOWCH** » 17 Nov 2005 11:48

For the disc tumblers you'll probably need a tibbe pick. The Little Joe also has variety on it's side. It covers a lot of cars.

by **Auto45** » 17 Nov 2005 13:12

I do have this spinner just need the picks

I need a tibbe pick

Complte ket $945 Think I saw this for $700 in the usa

Whom sells Laser Track Simulator Keys In The U.S.A?

Whom sells Laser Track Simulator Keys In The U.S.A?

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