on the road to nowhere, or somewhere?

[nicholls]

YUP it was a proper firm who works for a council, baliffs and police by opening locks, they are recognised mul-t-lock users and deal with safes, so im guessing they are pretty experienced!!.

Who is REKCUF??? sounds bad!

Has anyone seen how dyno-rod drills locks??

[pinky]

obviously not that experienced if they didnt teach curtain picking and picking bs locks, anyone can become a mul t lock centre if they buy the stock and machines.

[Shrub]

Rekcuf was a knob who came on here saying he hasnt got a single clue on how to even pick a lock but has started a training firm up, it turns out his name spelt backwards was a pretty good description of him.

[pinky]

alot of rekcuf types out there.

heres a nice little fact that may give a few of you novice pickers a titter;

i had the pleasure of accompanying and assisting chris belcher at the mla bournmouth show, and we gave a simple class on picking ERA Invincible and legge bs locks.
i was shocked to have last years MLA chairman who is also the director of mul t lock and a large number of full mla members in the class who never even realised that it was possible to pick these BS3621 locks and had never even tried, the obvious look of joy on the former MLA chairmans face when he succeeded in picking a few of these locks as did everyone else at the class.

I was shocked that the majority of master locksmiths do not pick locks, in fact many cant pick locks, though it was encouraging to see the changing priorities amongst them, with many realising that it is the way forward and many now actively work towards reaching an NDE service.

The nde word is spreading even amongst many of the old school.

All courses must teach the picking of curtain locks on non doctored locks and at least teach the method successfully, otherwise they are not doing the trainee any service.

If you buy a £750 machine and a £1000 of mul t lock stock you can be a user/centre , any of you can get bailiff work even as novices as most locks on repo work are drilled and changed.
Dont judge a course by what they claim to do, judge it on how much you learnt and how much you can do.

If you look at what you can do now, it is not much difference to many trading MLA locksmiths, the way forward for you is to become NDE and offer more than the rest offer, be the best, and this you will achieve through practice and study of the locks you wish to pick.

[SteveW]

As someone who has recently completed some training with the MLA i too have found that many members are blissfully unaware of the benefits of NDE. It seems to me that many members are so set in their ways that discovering or learning something new sometimes comes as a bit of a shock .

On the up side the training i did receive was superbly taught and concise. Though the course i attended did not cover opening techniques many out of class conversations did and i was quite shocked at some of the things i heard and i found that i actually more aware of some techniques than some of the people that were teaching me

You can learn so much for yourself, just bey talking to the right people and payiny attention... You can work things out for yourself....

[pinky]

anybody can pick a lock themself, if as you say they pay attention ask the right questions, and most important put the time in on the bench as no short cuts,

1 ) strip the lock down, examine it, work out what makes it tick, its strengths its weaknesses.

2 ) look at how to exploit those weaknesses.

3 ) practice

The above is all thats needed.

The MLA training in lock numbers , key blank id , access control etc etc is 2nd to none, sadly they dont dedicate so much time and quality tuition in NDE opening.
If the MLA had offered a good general course incorperating good NDE training then many of the cowboy trainers would not exist, food for thought for the way forward.

[SteveW]

The nail on the head mate !

[nicholls]

Sound advice cheers,

Incidently I finally managed to pick an ERA euro 6 pin cylinder yesterday, it took quite a while, cos ive been 'raking' a diamond pick to start with but just lately i have been pushing the pins instead in a rocking motion, i have also seemed to have the success on that way with the securit nightlatch cylinders!!