hardest lock

[digital_blue]

I've never been sucessful to pick one, hence the acknowledgement.

I've never been able to make a good Caesar Salad dressing. What's your point?

db

[Shrub]

Ive seen loads of tools that are home made by various people and ive designed and made one myself (well its nearly finished).
I have only just got some mul-t-locks with previously not having played with one before so by your philosiphy as i havent picked one they are obviously unpickable

Your posts are just a pi** take and im sure it must be a joke of some kind, it takes a serious noob to claim things cant be done because they cant do it.
Seen it and heard it all before, come back when you can state educated opinions

[n2oah]

The decoder itself cannot help you pick the lock. I am confident that no one has ever walked up to an Abloy lock and just be able to pick it.

The decoder both picks AND decodes the lock.

[abloy]

Now are we talking about the Abloy key decoders? If we are, it just decodes the keys. If you are going that route, that isn't really picking the Abloy lock. You might as well just use the actual key. I've been working with Abloy locks since 1977 and like I said earlier, I've never actually seen one picked or ever heard anyone, including law enforcement agencies complaining about their Abloy locks picked. Pin tumblers are pin tumblers and they work with springs and tension. Discs have no friction and no visual weakness. The old abloy locks I've taken apart shows no sign of wear and tear even after 50 years. Though I must admit after looking at schematics, there are weak spots in the classic series. Even then, I notice there are more lock companies starting to use discs. I'm actually having a ceasar salad right this moment! Need some cooking tips? Montreal has some of the finest restaurants.

[abloy]

Sorry...caeser salad...

[spQQky]

Now are we talking about the Abloy key decoders? If we are, it just decodes the keys. If you are going that route, that isn't really picking the Abloy lock. You might as well just use the actual key. I've been working with Abloy locks since 1977 and like I said earlier, I've never actually seen one picked or ever heard anyone, including law enforcement agencies complaining about their Abloy locks picked. Pin tumblers are pin tumblers and they work with springs and tension. Discs have no friction and no visual weakness. The old abloy locks I've taken apart shows no sign of wear and tear even after 50 years. Though I must admit after looking at schematics, there are weak spots in the classic series. Even then, I notice there are more lock companies starting to use discs. I'm actually having a ceasar salad right this moment! Need some cooking tips? Montreal has some of the finest restaurants.

I have an Abloy style lock that is advertised as un-pickable (which it may be) and the key as unreproducable ( which it isn't ). It's a rotating disc (wafer) with a sidebar. It's used as a pin, (or barrel type) lock used to secure cable tv boxes, (whom I work for). Since the cable company will back charge me $1,000. if I lose the real key, I chose to reproduce one. It may have been easier since I had the real key to use as a model, still it wasn't all that easy....but doable. It's just an old car key hand filed down. (The one closest to the pin lock in the picture).

[eric343]

Now are we talking about the Abloy key decoders?

NO.

[skold]

Now are we talking about the Abloy key decoders? If we are, it just decodes the keys. If you are going that route, that isn't really picking the Abloy lock. You might as well just use the actual key. I've been working with Abloy locks since 1977 and like I said earlier, I've never actually seen one picked or ever heard anyone, including law enforcement agencies complaining about their Abloy locks picked. Pin tumblers are pin tumblers and they work with springs and tension. Discs have no friction and no visual weakness. The old abloy locks I've taken apart shows no sign of wear and tear even after 50 years. Though I must admit after looking at schematics, there are weak spots in the classic series. Even then, I notice there are more lock companies starting to use discs. I'm actually having a ceasar salad right this moment! Need some cooking tips? Montreal has some of the finest restaurants.

For someone working with Abloy for so long, you really have no idea about them do you?

[Shrub]

Ive changed my mind about this, i did think it was just someone who was severly misguided and had blinkers on but now i think its someone who knows full well there are actual PICKS and DECODERS for these locks but cant find any pics or drawings etc so is just baiting us until one of us posts a pic of one.

That isnt going to happen its not for public forums and we all know better than to do it so give up mate

If by the slightest chance you are actually in a mind set where it cant be done because you havent seen it done then broaden your horizons, open your eyes, spend some time here and earn the right to join the advanced section.
Put your 25+ years of experiance into actually thinking about how picking can be achieved and then start making a pick or two, all this attitude of you havent seen it done so its not possable is bollocks youve been told now by many members your mistaken, just take that as sound advice and instead of being ignorant actually take heed and you may very well get somewhere.

[skold]

Ive changed my mind about this, i did think it was just someone who was severly misguided and had blinkers on but now i think its someone who knows full well there are actual PICKS and DECODERS for these locks but cant find any pics or drawings etc so is just baiting us until one of us posts a pic of one.

That isnt going to happen its not for public forums and we all know better than to do it so give up mate

If by the slightest chance you are actually in a mind set where it cant be done because you havent seen it done then broaden your horizons, open your eyes, spend some time here and earn the right to join the advanced section.
Put your 25+ years of experiance into actually thinking about how picking can be achieved and then start making a pick or two, all this attitude of you havent seen it done so its not possable is bollocks youve been told now by many members your mistaken, just take that as sound advice and instead of being ignorant actually take heed and you may very well get somewhere.

[Chrispy]

That's a big quote skold.

[abloy]

This I don't dispute but basically, if there is a key, it can be copied even if its an Abloy. A key or a copy of a key in any form is not a lock picking tool. Like any key, the Abloy series can be copied as long as you have the correct angles cut on your makeshift key. The easiest one of course is classic. As you move up towards the Pro or Protec, you will have to add dimples cause that activates the controller. SPQQKY, the lock that you displayed looks like a modified Abloy classic or profile series camlock with a special tail piece. It looks like an older model since it still has solid wafers between the discs. You're right that you can't pick it. Actually, why did you cut both sides of the duplicate "key" if the lock has a half round profile? Usually that would be an Abloy Disklock or Disklock Pro series like one of the keys that you have in the picture. The Classic and the Disklock cylinders are designed completely different. Anyhow, the point is without the key code or the actual key, it's impossible to guess what to cut on the "blank". I have always been fascinated with Abloy and that's why I'm on this thread. After all, aren't we disputing the hardest locks to pick. Anyone can decode and cut an Abloy key but walking up to an Abloy lock with a pick and not a simulated key will not open it. That is the difference.

[digital_blue]

A key or a copy of a key in any form is not a lock picking tool...

Are we playing the semantics game here? By extension, is a tubular pick not picking, because it not only decodes but also "duplicates" the key cuts?

db

[skold]

As you move up towards the Pro or Protec, you will have to add dimples cause that activates the controller.

Believe it or not that controller is the easiest thing to bypass, which inturn allows free movement of disks.


I am an abloy fanatic, don't bite me and i wont bite back.

[n2oah]

Abloy,
ANY lock that you have access to the pins, levers, disks, or whatever, is pickable!
And btw, the DBS on the Protec is bypassable, so it can be picked. I am tempted to post a picture of a few of falle's decoers, but that probably wouldn't please the mods.