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key dimentions data base? distance to shoulder, cut depth?

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

key dimentions data base? distance to shoulder, cut depth?

Postby machinist » 17 Jan 2006 0:58

I'm about to make a 6 pin masterlock bumpkey I have access to my own key machine (so to speak) and 3 beutiful masterlock 6 pin blanks freash form the hardware store but no dimentions. As to the cut depths, distance between cuts and distance from first cut to shoulder I don't know.

I had a link to a big list of details for about 15 differen't kinds of locks I copied it all but theres nothing about masterlock keys. Can anyone help me out here?

I formally suggest making a sticky topic reguarding key dimentions and applicable details if nothing exhists in the lock section if unless somthing like that already exsists.
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Postby Chrispy » 17 Jan 2006 7:04

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Postby machinist » 19 Jan 2006 2:48

Thanks, I used that to design my kwickset and schlage bumpkeys but no masterlock info : (.
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Postby Pickermeapie » 19 Jan 2006 13:40

Here you go. Right off my HPC Code Cards:

Master Padlock
SMALL PIN ONLY!

Distance to center of first cut: .135

Distance between center to center of cuts: .125

Depths:
0 .210
1 .195
2.180
3 .165
4 .150
5 .135
6 .120

Spaces:
1 .135
2 .260
3 .385
4. 510

Note this is for SMALL PINS ONLY! I.E. No. 2 and No.7 (according to card)

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Master Padlock
Standard Large Pin

Distance to center of first cut: .187

Distance between center to center of cut: .125

Depths:
0 .275
1 .260
2 .245
3 .230
4 .215
5 .200
6 .185
7 .170

Spacing:
1 .187
2 .312
3 .437
4 .562
5 .687

Note this is for Standard Laminated And Rekeyable Padlocks. Locker and Trailer locks

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And Now American Which is ... ::sigh:: a part of Master now.
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Junkunc (American Lock)
Pin - Domestic

Distance to center of first cut: .156

Distance between center to center of cut: .125

Depths:
0 .
1 .284
2 .268
3 .253
4 .237
5 .221
6 .206
7 .190
8 .175

Spacing:
1 .156
2 .281
3 .406
4 .531
5 .656
6 .781
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Postby machinist » 20 Jan 2006 0:41

Awesome, thank you, but does that mean that all those dimentions for the american work for all the older (pre 2006) american locks? thats my next bumpkey project.
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Postby Pickermeapie » 20 Jan 2006 0:59

These will work for any American Locks. Whilst the company's are merging, the locks themselves will remain independant. Master's will have master pinning, American will have American Pinning. Just a IMO: I don't think that the American Bump key, will work for security pinned Americans, but prove me wrong.
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Postby machinist » 23 Jan 2006 0:26

Well I tell you on e thing I'm sure not going to be able to hand pick it anytime soon. :wink:
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Postby machinist » 23 Jan 2006 2:20

One more question: whats the "spacing" in referece too?

is that somthing for master keying?
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Postby vector40 » 23 Jan 2006 2:39

Spacing is how far apart the cuts are.
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Postby vector40 » 23 Jan 2006 2:40

Well, more accurately, how far each cut is from the shoulder, but the idea is the same.
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Postby Varjeal » 23 Jan 2006 11:23

...and even more accurately where the center ( think) of each cut is away from the shoulder. 8)
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Postby vector40 » 23 Jan 2006 20:02

Which is a useful distinction when you compare, say, a nice jaggy Schlage key with a really garbage-cut Kwikset whose cuts are flat-bottomed and each a quarter-inch wide.
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Postby Pickermeapie » 24 Jan 2006 23:53

I love their pick ressistant 11211 codes that you get every now and then. those are the toughest.
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Postby Chrispy » 25 Jan 2006 6:53

You think that's tough? I got a rekey job in the other day, the customer wanted his euro cylinder rekeyed because his three year old stuck a thin piece of metal off their keyring into the lock and opened it. When we took the pins out, they were all 1s. :roll:
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Postby skold » 25 Jan 2006 9:06

Chrispy wrote:You think that's tough? I got a rekey job in the other day, the customer wanted his euro cylinder rekeyed because his three year old stuck a thin piece of metal off their keyring into the lock and opened it. When we took the pins out, they were all 1s. :roll:


your kidding right?

almost sounds like a bunnings style job.
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