Reactfast Warrants

[haribo]

Got a letter this morning from Reactfast asking whether I was interested in warrants for a national debt collection agency. Anyone else got this what are your thoughts.

[acl]

Cant say im suprised theyre trying to get in on the act ,i would however be suprised if any debt co would use this lot.

[bonez]

what debt company was it out of intrest!

[haribo]

Didnt say just a national debt collection agency whoo have landed contracts with two large utilities

[cred]

i got one too but they are saying that you cannot damage the door, but does not say anything about not drilling the locks!!!!!!!!!

[NKT]

That will be fun for them, since most of the big companies want NDE for warrants now, as much as possible. Just drilling out every lock means huge costs increases, since you have to pay someone to go back and hand the locked out little old lady a key. And that leads to really bad press if they die of cold in the meantime.

The flipside is that I can't imagine it is fun to turn up and try to explain, on your own, why you trashed someone's high security lock and replaced it with crap, leaving them locked out for two hours...

Or perhaps this is why they are now offering "training"?

[horsefeathers]

i got one too but they are saying that you cannot damage the door, but does not say anything about not drilling the locks!!!!!!!!!

Someone mentioned an on-going court case regarding damage to door - any idea how that went?

Drilling a cylinder may seem ok as no damage to the actual door occurs, but drilling a mortice would require the drill to pass through the wood to get to the lock (albeit probably under the handle so would be hidden). Ideally of course no drilling would be necessary and picking would be successful.

As an aside - just who is responsible for getting the new keys to the owner if the lock had to be changed? Locksmith? Bailiff? Utility guy?

regards

wayne

[pinky]

The locksmith returns the keys to the householder and must obtain signature for these, often hours and days later.

drilling a cylinder is as you say no damage to door, and if replaced with an equal or better lock then not all bad, but remember to leave the drilled lock on the customers premises for them to dispose of, to remove this drilled lock constitutes theft if the customer pursues it as the lock remains their property.

i can just see the RF warrant team on 40% of rate and trashing doors, they tried it once before and couldnt make it work, the engineer is poorly paid on half what the warrant locksmiths get as RF take their cut, mad to even consider it.

As to training , it beggers belief that anyone offers training as a locksmith without being a true locksmith themself, if you cant pick these locks then how the hell can you teach it,

[acl]

Ive deliversd keys a over a year after the lock was changed. It doesnt tend to be a little old lady youd take keys to either more likely to be some great big meathead! If anyone has to take keys back( which if youre doing it long enough you will have to eventually) always best to say you are a keyhoding service rather than the person who actually changed the lock.
Back to RF, these idiots cant get normal callouts covered most of the time and when they do they are using brand new guys who (with a few exceptions) dont know what they are doing .We have all been back on jobs where theyve trashed locks/doors havent we. Now as those of you who do them know ,warrants are slightly different to normal callouts, aside from trying to gain entry with no damage to lock or door youve got the added pressure of an agent and a fitter itching to get in quickly so they can get home for tea,not to mention the worry that someone could be behind that door or walk up the drive when you halfway in.So being able to pick a Profit on the bench is a little different to doing it under these conditions.
Now imagine RF guys,who drill everything in sight to push up their money, doing these its got disaster writtern all over it.Unless of course some of the decent guys are willing to do it which im sure youll agree is only going to be a good thing for RF themselves ,everyone else loses.
Andy

[Raccoon]

I wonder if someone who knows someone could convince someone with an interesting personality at RF to subscribe to these forums and communicate with us RF's strategy, as it was conveyed to him by corporate. Perhaps if enough RF people at varrying levels of power were to become "one of us", the company would eventually turn around into the honest john super corp that it really wants to become.

[toomush2drink]

A rf guy does come here but he dissappeared after a few comments on them. Lets face it their reputation is terrible even in the other sectors they do like plumbing which got a mention on rogue traders and they were rf trained

[nicholls]

If react fast drill locks to an extreme, like a lock i saw done by dynorod once, what happens to a door when they come accross an escutcheon rose (with the keyhole), that is larger than any drill points? do they butcher it or what? As I am possesion of a 2 curtain picks i don't have this prob anymore, any tips??

[NKT]

Odds on they just keep drilling!

There are some great pictures on site of the messes that some locksmiths have made. A lot involve the 24V rotary pick!

[nicholls]

what the hell is a 24volt rotary pick, or is that another name for a drill??

[Rockford]

Comes in 14, 18, 24, 30 volt versions - some with hammer action. Answer your question