beginner deadbolts

[omgxraycat]

Lemme get this straight...

5 pin deadbolts have the same basic lockpicking mechanics as a 5 pin padlock right?

I'm just confused...

I've seen in a few posts that people should start with kwikset deadbolts. I looked up kwikset and they have like a million models! Any in particular that are nice to learn with? It's confusing to me. There are a lot of different types of deadbolts too. I was looking at double cylinder ones. Do i Just unlock it and try to take them apart or do I hold both locks at the same time to pick them?

[p1ckf1sh]

Lemme get this straight...

5 pin deadbolts have the same basic lockpicking mechanics as a 5 pin padlock right?

Yes. Picking-wise it is not even possible to say what is harder, there are some really easy deadbolts and some really tricky padlocks. If the padlock has a small keyway it canbe tricky.

There are two small differences though - you can generally pick a deadbolt in both directions, because the plug can rotate in both directions. This is sometimes important, because with a different rotation direction the binding order can change and it might therefore be easier to pick this way and not the other. Padlocks on the other hand usually only turn in one direction and therefore can only be picked into this direction.

The other thing is the spring force. In deadbolts there is no resistance to turning (except for the pins obviously). That means you have to use only very small amounts of pressure on the tension wrench to bind the pins. In padlocks there is a spring that rotates the plug back to the zero degrees position, therefore you must use a bit more pressure to overcome spring pressure and get the binding.

It is hard to say which is easier. I found padlocks easier at first, but maybe my padlocks were just very forgiving. Your mileage may vary. I'd start training on both at the same time...

[undeadspacehippie]

Kwickset locks - do they even exist? I have been everywhere looking for locks and have never seen a Kwickset - really. They must exist because I see posts about them all the time, start off with kwickset. Anyway, is that the manufacturers name, or is it just a generic name for the el-cheapo locks that are sometimes sold at the "Stop N Go" --> "One Stop" type of variety stores? I'm probably beyond the scope of Kwickset locks right now, but I would like to aquire one.

Did I spell Kwickset incorrectly?

[Shrub]

Just look for your cheapest cylinder you can buy and youll be ok for your first lock.

[picksmith]

Kwikset is the name of the lock itself. It was bought by Black&Decker so you may see mthem under that label. They are typically sold in one of three lines. Security, Maximum Security, and Ultra Maximum Security. Ill give you three guesses as to which would be best for begginers. Lol. Good luck, and if you don't find one do what Shrub said and just get the cheapest you can find.

[Omikron]

Kwikset is the name of the lock itself. It was bought by Black&Decker so you may see mthem under that label. They are typically sold in one of three lines. Security, Maximum Security, and Ultra Maximum Security. Ill give you three guesses as to which would be best for begginers. Lol. Good luck, and if you don't find one do what Shrub said and just get the cheapest you can find.

Heh, those Ultra Maximum Security ones can actually be pretty fun sometimes. It's the only deadbolt you can buy at Lowes or Home Depot that is ANSI Grade 1.

[Shrub]

I never knew a Kwickset was a Black and Decker

I guess it explains a few things lol

[picksmith]

Yeah you'll see it down the bottom right of their webpage. It's www.kwikset.com (notice no C in kwikset)

They used to have kwikset and kwikset titan. When Black & Decker bought them they came up with the marketing friendly names.
Lol.

[What]

so are the called kwikset because the pins set so quickly?

[n2oah]

I never knew a Kwickset was a Black and Decker

I guess it explains a few things lol

But DOM is also B&D

I never knew they even sold grade 1 stuff at home depot.

[p1ckf1sh]

[Kwikset a B&D company]
But DOM is also B&D

I am always amazed how many companies that appear to be independent to the general public are actually part of large corporations. This is scary. There is the theory that one half a dozen corporations will own anything. I think this has already happened...

[picksmith]

Yeah it's amazing how many competing high security locks are owned by the same parent company, like Mul-T-Lock and Assa.

[Omikron]

The Assa Abloy Group owns quite a bit:

167">A2 Software

130">AB FAS LÃ¥sfabrik
118">Abloy Canada Inc.
214">Abloy Czech, spol s r.o.
211">Abloy France SAS
145">Abloy Oy
100">Abloy Oy Eesti Filiaal
102">Abloy Oy Latvian
103">Abloy Oy Lithuania
108">Abloy Oy Representative Office Moscow

105">Abloy Oy Representative Office Ukraine
139">Abloy Security Inc.
110">Abloy Security Ltd.
156">Abloy Security Pty Ltd
294">ABLOY Slovakia, spol. s r.o.
298">AccessID
307">ACG
306">ACG Identification GmbH <br>Agence France

231">ACG Identification Technologies GmbH
305">ACG UK Ltd.
356">Adams Rite Manufacturing
173">AKI LÃ¥sgrossisten AB
174">Ambouw B.V.
308">Arrow Canada
126">Arrow Lock Manufacturing Co Inc.
127">Assa AB
345">ASSA ABLOY Security Products Limited (Chongqing Branch)

348">ASSA ABLOY Security Products Limited (Shanghai Branch)
347">ASSA ABLOY Security Products Limited (Shenzhen Branch)
237">ASSA ABLOY (East Africa) Ltd. (Kenya)
222">ASSA ABLOY (SA) (PTY) LTD
235">ASSA ABLOY (Tanzania) Ltd.
309">ASSA ABLOY AB Middle East Branch Office
284">ASSA ABLOY AB <BR>Representative office Russia
297">ASSA ABLOY Americas

114">ASSA ABLOY Australia Pty Limited (former Lockwood Security)
311">ASSA ABLOY Austria
163">ASSA ABLOY Belgium nv
223">Assa Abloy Chile Ltda.
312">ASSA ABLOY Door Group
142">ASSA ABLOY Door Security Solutions Canada
313">ASSA ABLOY EMEA
344">ASSA ABLOY Entrance Systems Group
195">ASSA ABLOY France S.A.S.

304">ASSA ABLOY Global Technologies
178">ASSA ABLOY Hong Kong Ltd.
346">ASSA ABLOY Hong Kong Ltd. (Philippines Office)
244">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality (Shanghai) Limited
290">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality a.s., <br>Group Headquarters
245">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality a.s./ <br>VingCard Marine a.s.
199">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality AB
203">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality GmbH

242">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Ibérica, S.L.
239">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Ibérica, S.L. (Sucursal em Portugal)
221">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Inc. (Regional headquarter)
246">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Ltd.
247">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Ltd.
243">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Ltd.
200">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Ltd.
206">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality Pte Ltd
197">ASSA ABLOY Hospitality s.a.s.

104">ASSA ABLOY Hungary Kft.
343">ASSA ABLOY Korea (BEST Metaline)
331">ASSA ABLOY Korea Limited
93">ASSA ABLOY Malaysia Sdn Bhd
286">ASSA ABLOY México
182">ASSA ABLOY New Zealand Limited
327">ASSA ABLOY North America International
170">ASSA ABLOY Philippines
99">ASSA ABLOY Poland

291">ASSA ABLOY Romania S.r.l.
90">ASSA ABLOY Security Products Limited
349">ASSA ABLOY Security Products Limited (Beijing Branch)
147">ASSA ABLOY Sicherheitstechnik GmbH
92">ASSA ABLOY Singapore Pte Ltd
292">ASSA ABLOY Slovenija d.o.o.
301">ASSA ABLOY Sourcing Office – Asia
165">ASSA ABLOY Thailand Ltd.
113">ASSA ABLOY Zimbabwe

172">Assa Industri AB
220">ASSA Lietuva UAB (Lithuania)
148">ASSA Limited
194">Assa Portuguesa, Lda.
342">Assa Säkra Hem
125">ASSA, Inc.
101">AssaBalt AS (Estonia)
285">AssaBalt AS (Latvia)
282">ASSA-RUKO Sicherheitssysteme GmbH

117">AZBE B. ZUBIA
314">Bar Code Data Systems Pty Limited
260">Besam (Mfg) Pte Ltd
249">Besam A/S
232">Besam Australia Pty Ltd
248">Besam Austria GmbH
266">Besam Automated EntranceSystems, Inc.
234">Besam Automatic Door Systems Trading (Shanghai)
233">Besam België NV

262">Besam Export AB
252">Besam GmbH
261">Besam Ibérica S. A.
212">Besam International HB
253">Besam Kft.
265">Besam Limited
256">Besam Ltd
259">Besam Ltd
255">Besam Nederland B.V.

250">Besam OY
257">Besam Polska Sp. z o.o.
263">Besam Production AB
258">Besam PT
251">Besam S.A.
254">Besam S.p.A.
264">Besam Svensk Försäljning AB
238">Besam, spol. s.r.o.
350">Best Metaline

158">BEZAULT SAS
146">Björkboda Lås Oy Ab
335">Brighthandle AB
315">BUGA Technologies GmbH
149">C E Marshall Limited
168">Ceco Door Products
288">CERRADURAS Y CANDADOS PHILLIPS S.A. DE C.V.
299">Chubb
209">Chubb Locks Custodial Services Ltd

300">Corbin Russwin Architectural Hardware
316">Corbin Russwin, Inc (Berlin, CT)
317">Corbin Russwin, Inc. (Clarksdale, MS)
228">CORBIN Srl
124">CURRIES Company
169">Dominion Building Products
280">effeff France S.A.S.
318">Electric Locking Company
302">Electronic Door Security Sales Group (USA)

123">Elsafe International AS</OPTION>
128">Emtek Products, Inc.
129">ESSEX Industries, Inc.
107">FAB, s.r.o.
157">Fichet Serrurerie Batîment S.A.S.
215">FIX A/S
121">FIX AB
176">Fleming Door Products Ltd.
339">Folger Adam Electronic Door Controls

319">Glass Hardware Belgium
131">GRAHAM Manufacturing Corporation
287">Grupo Industrial Phillips S.A. de C.V.
151">Guli Security Products Limited
132">HES, Inc.
175">HID Corporation
296">HID Corporation Limited
321">HID Corporation Ltd (Netherlands)
320">HID Corporation Ltd. France

276">Identification Technology Group (ITG) Asia Pacific Ltd.
275">Identification Technology Group (ITG), Latin America
277">Identification Technology Group, Inc. (ITG)
207">Indala
333">Indala Limited
279">Interlock AG
351">Interlock USA, Inc.
154">JPM S.A.
166">KESO AG

322">KESO Deutschland GmbH
281">KESO France SA
150">KESO SA
155">Laperche SAS
143">LÃ¥sgruppen AS
152">Lips Nederland B.V.
185">MAB SpA
133">McKINNEY Products Company
96">Medeco Canada

138">Medeco High Security Locks, Inc.
295">Medeco Security Locks Ltd
217">Mul-T-Lock (UK) Ltd.
337">Mul-T-Lock Argentina
141">Mul-T-Lock Canada Inc.
218">Mul-T-Lock France S.A.
153">Mul-T-Lock Ltd.
219">Mul-T-Lock Machinery Ltd.
283">Mul-T-Lock Technologies Ltd.

216">Mul-T-Lock USA Inc.
227">NEMEF BV
180">Norton Door Controls
159">Nuova FEB S.r.l.
328">OMNIKEY Americas
241">OMNIKEY GmbH
352">OOO ASSA ABLOY Resource
179">Phillips Locks/ <br>CERRADURAS Y CANDADOS PHILLIPS

189">Rixson Specialty Door Controls
119">Ruko A/S
135">SARGENT Manufacturing Company
136">Securitron Magnalock Corporation
326">Security Merchants Australia Pty
324">Security Merchants Ltd. (New Zealand)
111">Security Products UK Ltd.
332">Sokymat AB
336">Sokymat GmbH (former Cubit)

341">Sokymat SA
340">Sokymat Transponder Technologies GmbH
134">Solid AB
160">Stremler S.A.
210">TESA Mexico
213">TESA, Talleres de Escoriaza, S.A.
120">Timelox AB
193">Trimec Technology
144">TrioVing a.s

338">TT System
273">UNION Architectural Hardware
334">Uniqey Security Limited
161">Vachette S.A.
289">VEMA Sales B.V.
122">VingCard a.s
201">VingCard Elsafe Brazil
204">VingCard Elsafe Canada
205">VingCard Elsafe Hong Kong

267">VingCard Europe (Regional headquarter)
271">VingCard Marine a.s./ <br>ASSA ABLOY Hospitality a.s.
269">VingCard Middle East & Africa (Regional headquarter)
196">VingCard Produksjon AS
268">VingCard Sao Paulo
270">VingCard Systems Australia - National Office
198">VingCard UK
303">Yale Commercial Locks and Hardware

186">Yale Corni Sistemi di Sicurezza S.p.a.
109">Yale Door & Window Solutions
116">Yale La Fonte Sistemas de Seguranca Ltda
95">Yale Residential Security Products, Inc.
330">Yale Sécurité France
91">Yale Security Mexico S.A. de C.V.
162">Yale Security Products S.p.A.
272">Yale UK

140">Yale-Corbin Canada Ltd.
137">YSG Door Security Consultants

[Shrub]

Wow, a few companies there then lol

Still no match for coca cola i bet.

[What]

so ASSA Abloy owns almost every high security lock company out there.....

hmm.

That is quite a monopoly.