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Bloctout by Bricard, a French no-springs-many-wafers lock

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Bloctout by Bricard, a French no-springs-many-wafers lock

Postby mh » 30 Jun 2006 16:26

Hi,

Here are some breakdown pictures of another French lock I found in ebay.
Another one with a plastic plug.

It's called Bloctout, by Bricard: http://www.bricard.com/asp/Fiche.asp?no=1B3
They classify it as a "normal" (not "high") security lock,
"The absence of a spring hinders lock picking.
The rotor is made of polyacetal, reducing overall wear."
"double notched key"

The key is indeed interesting: It consists of 2 halves, separately cut, then fixed together. Similar to the BiLock, but not bent, but made from 2 parts. That's necessary, because there are no springs, and therefore the key's width has to match the openings in the springs, therefore each half key has to be cut on both sides.
Well, I'm not sure if this makes sense to you, but here are the pictures, they should help:

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The cross section of each half key stays the same all the way.

Here you can see even better that the key is made from two halves:
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You can also see that there are 7 pairs of wafers (= 14 wafers in total). In each pair, one wafer interacts with the left half of the key, while the other one interacts with the right half. Each wafer therefore has a cut that's exactly the shape of the half key's cross section on one side, while it's long on the other side, so that it doesn't interact with the other half of the key.

Doesn't make sense again, this guy can't write proper English? What? Half keys? Well, I have another picture for you...

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If you look carefully, you will find 3 wafers that are smaller in overall size. I'm not sure why exactly, but I think that's part of a masterkeying concept.

On the last picture you can see the wafers on the key.
You can also see a metal fixed part inside the plastic plug; I guess that's used for profile checking.

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All in all, I would say that this is a nice concept, but not my favorite.

Picking is quite hard - there are so many wafers and just gravity to pull them back. I didn't succeed (didn't try for a long time, though). Decoding should be possible.

Hope you like it anyway. :)
Cheers,
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Postby Jason13 » 1 Jul 2006 1:07

A Wafer with no springs they must be mad! :o

Cool lock but wouldnt it having no springs mean after a while of dirt etc gathering up inside the cylinder prevent the wafers from coming down when ther lifted buy a pick or key.
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Postby mh » 1 Jul 2006 1:31

Jason13 wrote:A Wafer with no springs they must be mad! :o

Cool lock but wouldnt it having no springs mean after a while of dirt etc gathering up inside the cylinder prevent the wafers from coming down when ther lifted buy a pick or key.


Hey, maybe that would be something interesting for you to figure out - look at the shape and cross-section of the key, then at the shape of the openings in the wafers, and then think how this could happen, or why it could not happen...
:) mh
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Postby Jason13 » 1 Jul 2006 1:43

Hinder picking? you gotta be joking? with no springs your saying it makes it harder to pick?





A wafer lock :shock:
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Postby Jimmie » 1 Jul 2006 4:53

in France this lock is no longer in large use because of lacks of security, they have changed some parts to struggle some methods of opening

it can be picked by raking with a VERY VERY light tension on

it can be opened in a matter of seconds using a DIY tool ...

no way to explain it in a public forum
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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 1 Jul 2006 6:37

plastic plug?

move over Dexter you have some new competition
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Postby Jimmie » 1 Jul 2006 8:56

yep ... it is one way by controlled destruction but it is not a fair lockpicking

anyaway ... with some training you can pick this lock unless the last new model cause they have put some rubber along the last wafers to maintain them in place when picking so ... when a wafer is lifted up it cannot get down by gravity !!! a good challenge !
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Postby Shrub » 1 Jul 2006 9:41

Jason not all wafer locks are as easy as the normal ones,
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 1 Jul 2006 10:17

It's amazing what kinds of locks one (like mh, thanks for all that!) can dig up if he's trying hard.

I wish there was a wiki containing the locks of the world. With a shopping cart. Even the attempts at making an at least 90% complete of the lock manufacturer usuall fail.

mh, one question, parlez vous francais, or do you just browse ebay.fr by chance and decide what to buy by the look of the pics? Or do babelfish the sellers descriptions. I can handle the ebay interface, but the descriptions usually throw me off and babelfish is usually much more of a confusion.
Due to financial limitations the light at the end of tunnel has been turned off until further notice.
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Postby mh » 1 Jul 2006 11:21

p1ckf1sh wrote:parlez vous francais

Hmm, sha na comprond pah...

But I look at the pictures, and don't invest much either. It has been a gamble so far, and I'm not so happy with my last acquisition (the Bloctout) - it's not as high-security as it was promised.

Anyway, the French have some very interesting lock concepts - so very different from the rest that I've seen before, that I feel it's worthwile hunting there...

Cheers,
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Postby Shrub » 1 Jul 2006 11:40

mh wrote: Anyway, the French have some very interesting lock concepts


Not just in locks either :P
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Postby workstation » 1 Jul 2006 14:20

I like the way the cylinder is also made of two halves. Probably not very strong, but it looks good.

With a pair of sidebars, this lock could be quite good. A sort of wafer-bilock.
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 1 Jul 2006 16:47

Shrub wrote:Not just in locks either :P

This is a "family site" someone once stated. So, you must be talking... about the concept of having bread that half as long as the buyer is tall? :)
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Postby Shrub » 1 Jul 2006 17:10

For once i wasnt thining dirty, and now i am i still am unsure of what you mean but yes the french have some funny ways, one of my best mates is in france so i hope he doesnt think im having a go but they do have funny ways especially in what they eat.

Jimmie, im sorry mate :P
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 1 Jul 2006 17:19

Shrub wrote:For once i wasnt thining dirty, and now i am i still am unsure of what you mean but yes the french have some funny ways, one of my best mates is in france so i hope he doesnt think im having a go but they do have funny ways especially in what they eat.

Rrrriiiiight, you were not thinking dirty. I'll give you apply the benefit of doubt though, and assume the reference to eating was somehow Freudian. :D

I should go to bed now before the admins arrest me for clowning around too much. Or repeated thread hijacking.
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