Warded padlock problems

[Lucky1406]

I just recently got some warded lock pick keys, hoping that they wouldhelp me open my two new warded locks that I just bought, but to no avail. They are both Master locks, one is labled "22" on the bottem, and the other has no markings other than "Master Lock" printed on the bottem. I have read the guide by illusion, but It doesnt tell me how to turn the key in the lock. Does it require lots of force? when the lock is open and I look down theclasp hole, When I turn the key, the little bar moves to the side, When I use the pick, It does the same thing, But things change when the lock is in the closed position. It feels the same using the pick, weither its open or closed, but it wont open the lock no matter how hard I turn the pick. I have used all 5 of the picks that came with the key set, but none work. Is there something that I am missing. I also tried using a tension wrench, But that didnt seem to do anything. I'm at a loss here. Is it because the lock is too new, and there are other saftey mechanisims in it, or am I just doing somehting wrong. I did a search on this, but what I found didnt seem to help, let me know what you think, Thanks,
Nick

[Shrub]

I havent tried a lot of locks but the few i have tried i have never got the picks to work either,

If the shackle is sprung you may find it works if you press it in and then turn the pick, this should remove the force on the locking dog, otherwise your goign to have to post up a series of pictures of your problem,

[Bud Wiser]

I just recently got some warded lock pick keys, hoping that they wouldhelp me open my two new warded locks that I just bought, but to no avail. They are both Master locks, one is labled "22" on the bottem, and the other has no markings other than "Master Lock" printed on the bottem. I have read the guide by illusion, but It doesnt tell me how to turn the key in the lock. Does it require lots of force? when the lock is open and I look down theclasp hole, When I turn the key, the little bar moves to the side, When I use the pick, It does the same thing, But things change when the lock is in the closed position. It feels the same using the pick, weither its open or closed, but it wont open the lock no matter how hard I turn the pick. I have used all 5 of the picks that came with the key set, but none work. Is there something that I am missing. I also tried using a tension wrench, But that didnt seem to do anything. I'm at a loss here. Is it because the lock is too new, and there are other saftey mechanisims in it, or am I just doing somehting wrong. I did a search on this, but what I found didnt seem to help, let me know what you think, Thanks,
Nick

I was able to get a warded master #22 lock open with a warded pick, but I had to grind about .010-.015 off the tip. Guessing on the amount as I did not measure it so start off small!

I used the pick with two key columns, there are 2 picks like that, I used the one with the columns the furthest apart.

I had to really push it in against the end of the lock as far as it goes and turn clockwise as hard as I could. Some times it would slip so I would just keep trying. It did open.

May be if I grinded some more off it woulkd work better, but since it does work I don't want to take off too much. But yes, it does take a lot of pressure to unlock.

[Ray_Air]

I have a set of those warded picks. I did run across one of Master's smaller warded padlocks that i couldnt open, but other than that they work 98-99% of the time for me. A great non-destructive set of picks

[Lucky1406]

I'm thinking that I just need to have some fun with some older warded locks. Or some bigger ones. I'm just having a hard time finding any. Not as many as I thought there were. Oh well, thanks for the help,
Nick

[Bud Wiser]

I'm thinking that I just need to have some fun with some older warded locks. Or some bigger ones. I'm just having a hard time finding any. Not as many as I thought there were. Oh well, thanks for the help,
Nick

Check out the dollar stores if you have any around you, and ebay too. Years ago there use to be a lot of warded locks for bikes. Slayer was more common then master back then. I use to pick those slayers with a filed down piece of coat hanger wire. I was just a kid then, doing kid stuff

[Lucky1406]

I do need to check the dollar stores around here. I think tomorrow I will go out to a lot of stores and see what I can find. Right now i'm looking to get a large set of locks to play with. I've been ordering a fair few from off line, any thing that catches my eye.

[kepiblanc]

Slayer was more common then (sic) master back then.

Bud Wiser,

Back in the day, it was Slaymaker that was a commonly sold brand of warded padlock, not Slayer. (I see vintage Slaymaker padlocks on eBay all the time.)

As for Slayer, back in the day they were a hardcore heavy metal rock band.

[Lucky1406]

LOL, I was wondering why I couldnt find any info on that lock name! haha

[kepiblanc]

I have read the guide by illusion, but it doesn't tell me how to turn the key in the lock. Does it require lots of force?

No, it should not require that much force. Too much force would be to court disaster.

I know this because of a past experience. After the Fifth HOPE in 2004, I let a friend of a friend play with my warded pick set and a Master warded padlock. This fellow was a complete lock picking novice. He managed to get one of my warded picks stuck inside the keyway of this Master warded padlock. This was all because he was using lots of force to twist the warded pick. I actually had to destroy the padlock with a drill press just to extricate my warded padlock pick.

I have used all 5 of the picks that came with the key set, but none work. Is there something that I am missing?

One of those five warded picks should work, but I have a feeling that you might not be inserting the pick at the correct depth inside of the keyway.

I also tried using a tension wrench, but that didn't seem to do anything.

I have never heard of anyone ever needing to use a tension wrench on a warded padlock, nor do I think that this would ever be necessary.

Is it because the lock is too new, and there are other safety mechanisms in it, or am I just doing somehting wrong?

It is not because the lock is too new. I have picked new warded padlocks right after getting them from stores. They should not have any safety mechanisms, either. Safety mechanisms are on things like firearms and aircraft fuselage hatches.

I reckon that you are simply just doing something wrong. That something is probably improper depths of the pick's insertion into the keyway of the warded padlock.

[raimundo]

look at the laminations, some of these locks have a thicker lamination at the place where the latchspring is. the cross of the T should not be wider than the lamination. some have two latchsprings, on these, the doublecross T works if the crosses are not wider than the laminations are thick, usually the two laminations that contain the latchsprings are separated by two laminations, but some are separated by three warded laminations. the top of the pick is unnecessary when you know how to use one, by that I am refering to the little tip that is above the cross of the T such as the top of this t
I have never owned a commercial set of these, but having seen them, I always thought the cross is too wide to pass between the warded laminations into the spring lamination.

[kepiblanc]

I do need to check the dollar stores around here.

I got a warded padlock from a dollar store last weekend. One of my warded padlock picks from Southord opens it very easily.

[Lucky1406]

Thank ya'll very much for all the great responses. I will continue to play with it later today. It just seems like I'm missing something. But I will get it!
The reason I was using a tension wrench was in a futile atempt at doing something that may have a chance to working. As you can tell, I'm getting a little desperate. I will continue to play with the lock more, and I will let ya'll know what becomes of it. It just seems that it should be easier than its being. If anything, If I cant get it in the next two hours. I will make a video Of me trying, and Will post it for critiques. That should end all of my problems, thatnks again ya'll,
Nick[/quote]

[Bud Wiser]

Try Shrub's suggestion of pressing the shackle in while picking it. I have the same lock you have. Without pressing the shackle in, it was some times a little harder, but much easier after pressing it in. You do not have to hold it down, Just push it in a few times while picking it. If you still can not get it, try grinding a little off the tip of the pick.

[Lucky1406]

Yep, I just got back from another 10 min session with the lock. I tried pushing the shackle in, but it didnt seem to help. I varied the pressure, and timming, but to no avail. I dont want to grind of the pick just yet, I think I will wait one more day till I do that. And it doesnt make any since, because the Pick key, matches up perfectly with the origional key. You would think that it would work. Also Is it normay for the pick to be able to just free spin in the lock? It seems to grab at the sides and makes a grinding sound, but doesnt seem to do anything inside the lock to help open it. At least with pin tumblers I could feel whats going on, in this, I have no clue. I want to cut one open just to understand it better,
Nick

feeling very sad....