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Japan's crime wave - is it Miwa's fault?

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Postby Shrub » 9 Sep 2006 15:05

Your links arent working,
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Miwa

Postby greyman » 11 Sep 2006 8:46

Shrub wrote:Your links arent working,


Mine are, but the previous poster's mediapress ones aren't. My guess is that the locks being talking about are the new Miwa or the U9. This looks deceptively like the older Miwa wafer locks that were made by the 10s of millions from the 1950s. They retrofit into Miwa's locks and it's not obvious that there's any difference apart from the slightly different key profile.

The U9 is actually a sidebar lock - it's very like the Ingersoll lock used in the UK. The key looks like a double sided wafer lock key but the wafers talk to a sidebar. A very kind Japanese fellow sent me one of these locks recently for my book.

There are also higher security variants of the U9 like with restricted keyways and dimples in the key. Best way to get at this stuff is with a Japanese language pack installed for your web browser.
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Postby Bud Wiser » 11 Sep 2006 10:52

Two points..

If they are drilling thru doors then it's bypass, so it has no reflection of the lock. Right?

Also, no doubt the economy had a verry big part of the crime rate. It's a fact, economy goes down, crime goes up.
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Postby salem » 11 Sep 2006 13:27

It's more than the problem of a lock of a particular brand. The ethics of japanese locksmith controversial raised concerns in recent years. A Japanese investigative reporter, 染谷悟 who was finally murdered in 2004 once bravely released a book "Bible of Locks" to reveal a breaking story about this industry.

Some Japanese locksmiths were alleged of duplicating a key when they installed a lock for customers. They either sold these keys to the gangs, or got into the victim's home themselves. Some other secretly held a lockpicking class to the triad members. It sparked really big concern about lock security at that time, even bigger than the bump key issue today.

In 2004, the reporter was murdered by 櫻井景三, an inethical locksmith. :shock:
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miwa

Postby greyman » 11 Sep 2006 17:07

Bud Wiser wrote:Two points..

If they are drilling thru doors then it's bypass, so it has no reflection of the lock. Right?

Also, no doubt the economy had a verry big part of the crime rate. It's a fact, economy goes down, crime goes up.


It does reflect on the company making the locks in that the bypass was so easy across a large range of models with thumb turn latches. This also applies to other locks not by Miwa though. The thumb turn should be constructed so as to be hard to turn without your fingers on the knob.
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miwa

Postby greyman » 11 Sep 2006 17:09

Salem

Your points about the investigative reporter sound very interesting. Do you have any links? What is this "bible of locks"? Did the guy get murdered for talking about locks or for some other reason? Lots of questions!

Regards, greyman
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Re: miwa

Postby Bud Wiser » 11 Sep 2006 17:46

greyman wrote:
Bud Wiser wrote:Two points..

If they are drilling thru doors then it's bypass, so it has no reflection of the lock. Right?

Also, no doubt the economy had a verry big part of the crime rate. It's a fact, economy goes down, crime goes up.


It does reflect on the company making the locks in that the bypass was so easy across a large range of models with thumb turn latches. This also applies to other locks not by Miwa though. The thumb turn should be constructed so as to be hard to turn without your fingers on the knob.


In that case your right. The company should improve future locks and also offer a replacement part for existing locks to remedy the situation. Such a move would be worth it's weight in free advertisement.
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modern times

Postby raimundo » 12 Sep 2006 8:30

its the times, the zietgiest, corruption has taken over, politicians are hypocritical, lying deceitful and the leaders of society. they set the tone. its only gonna get worse. as the oil economy tightens and the long crisis begins, there is gonna be class war, in war there is no morality at all, even loyalty to your group is a one way street, your group is not loyal to you, the leaders are shallow egoistic narcissists like bush
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Postby greyman » 12 Sep 2006 12:19

Wow raimundo, that sure is a pessimistic outlook! I guess you won't be voting for Bush then at the mid-term elections in the US? (assuming you are in the US) I'm with you though on this one.

But getting back to Miwa, it is pretty pathetic that a company would openly blame foreigners to increase its sales.
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the long emergency

Postby raimundo » 13 Sep 2006 8:34

Look at amazon.com for 'the long emergency' by james howard kunstler, on the left of the screen there is a tiny line of type that says 'search inside this book' You can read about how oil prices will make air travel not an option for the middle class, growth of crime in postindustrial cities, water crises in the american west (the world really) climate change, gated communities for the superrich, security and chaos, as the haves become rulers and the have nots are abandoned by society (the republican ideal) and a society liveing on fumes from an empty tank.
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Postby Bud Wiser » 13 Sep 2006 9:56

No offense intended, but I would hardly call James Howard Kunstler an authority on any of these subjects :)
http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/ ... nstler.php
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the link

Postby raimundo » 13 Sep 2006 10:55

thanks for the link, I took the time to read it. its good.
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Re: drilllingdoor

Postby Romstar » 16 Sep 2006 6:40

raimundo wrote:Drilling the door is a varient of breaking the little window, for a reacharound. apparently in japan, they don't have those little "in case of burglar, break glass" holes provided.


"In case of burglar, break glass."

I like that one. Can I use it in the future?

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Postby NKT » 18 Sep 2006 8:53

Try "http:" not "hxxp:"

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That lock looks very like the very secure Ingersol SC-1 cylinder. If the looks aren't deceiving, it's a great lock, very hard to open or drill. Once deadlocked, it is sometimes a "break down the door" level of lock, and the inside handle won't work either. If you only leave it on the latch, though, it can be opened.

It's not bumpable, and has a ceramic anti-drill plate. Costs about £40 trade, £70 retail, plus VAT. Far more secure than a regular Yale latch or whatever.

As regards the coming oil crash... It is true, regardless of what anyone says. Look for more totalitarian governments in place of democracies, and far more laws. The new world order being pushed (hard) under the "war on..." flag will ensure that little changes, and even a revolt in a major western country would have little effect now, as there is too much "stability". Even when a place goes all to hell, like Yugoslavia did, it is all smoothed over fairly quickly, and the laws don't change, the ethos does not change, the power structure and the world does not change, just the heads at the top roll, and some change.
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miwa u9

Postby greyman » 18 Sep 2006 18:10

The Miwa U9 is very like the Ingersoll but without the heavy duty-ness. THey also have 5 cut depths instead of 4 and 9 levers instead of 10. No ceramic in the Miwa either. Unfortunately like the Ingersoll latch, there's a rather simple bypass that I won't mention here. Don't mention the "war of terror"... And why does the word "h e l l" keep getting edited out the the posts???
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