Bump technique to open high security locks/safes

by **Availor** » 16 Oct 2006 13:18

I know of three ramming/bumping techniques for opening high security locks like mul-t-lock or safe locks. One of them is making a blank and wrapping it with a foil, then apply pressure and tap with an object (does not apply to safe lock mechanisms)
The second one is pretty much the same just without the foil.

The third one is to insert the blank until it settles 4 pins (not 5), and then, applying pressure tap with a hard object.

Eventhough this technique is as ancient asthe lock itself I found no pickgun tool to match this technique, eventhough it seems pretty simple to make.

I'm just curious... any ideas?

by **Schuyler** » 16 Oct 2006 13:28

Are you talking about the final technique you mentioned? Well, first, if you insert a blank into a functional lock, at all, is should breach several, if not all of the pins. So, unless you're looking to overbreach to a point where the bottom pins will be up in the bible with the drivers and springs? I don't see how what you describe could work.

Now, other than that you mentioned using a blank, this to me sounds exactly like the "pull out" method of bumping, if that's what you're describing. In which case it is, in fact, recreating the exact effect a pick gun employs, only with the bump key it's easier to get that nice flat line you need when using a pick gun.

I may well be misunderstanding what you said, however, so if you or someone else could redescribe what you mean, I'd be keen to hear it.

by **Availor** » 16 Oct 2006 13:35

Here, I found a video. I guess you don't read Russian so just click on the left link to download a high quality movie
http://www.locks.ru/win/informat/bump/M ... tlock.shtm

This link: http://www.locks.ru/win/informat/bump/f ... ltest.shtm is the Index of all movies, clicking on the link just beside the picture will take you to the movie link. That includes the safe cracking video (look at the pictures).

It isn't mentioned there, but if you have a mul-t-lock padlock you can just tap it on the side with a rubber hammer while applying pressure.

Anyway, I'd like to make a pickgun, so I wanted to check if there's actualy one that is being sold.

by **Availor** » 16 Oct 2006 13:36

Oh by the way I love your site (TOOOL) Didn't notice you're one of the guys there

by **UWSDWF** » 16 Oct 2006 13:36

umm this is advanced material and should not be discussed in the open forums

by **UWSDWF** » 16 Oct 2006 13:38

uhhh. nevermind.. brain fart sorry

by **Schuyler** » 16 Oct 2006 13:58

Ah!

OK, so I'm pretty sure that's a Mul-T-Lock bump key, with the keys filed down to their lowest depth.

Bumping is, basically, transference of energy, just like a pick gun. Now, when it comes to dimple locks/mul-t-lock, there was another thread started not long ago about a dimple attachment for a pick gun, which may be what you're looking for, as they will manipulate dimple locks in the same way that normal pin tumblers are.

I do wonder about what the attachment would be to manipulate both sides of the plug at once though...this is kinda interesting.

Anyhow, thanks for the TOOOL love, I'm proud of the organization, but when it comes to picking locks, I'm new, just learning fast.

You won't see me winning any prized in Holland

by **Availor** » 16 Oct 2006 14:23

Thanks for the prompt reply.

I posted it here since I don't have access to any secure forums, but you may delete the link it was meant just for you to explain the idea, so after you've seen it you can make it perish from the eyes of the "unworthy"

Just kidding.

I'll try once again to search the forum for pick guns though I didn't find anything I might need.

I know how the mechanism should work and look... but I need a "starting point" - when do I take the "engine" from? Maybe I will take my bosch hammer-drill apart? I'm just a hobbiest so I like making my own tools. The pick gun should tap and turn (slightly) the blank key almost at the same time. Now I need a rather strong engine for that matter, that's why I searched for such a pickgun to just take a look at how it looks like/works :wink:

If anyone has any information I'll be happy for a link drop

by **Shrub** » 16 Oct 2006 16:53

Are you looking for how a pick gun works and ideas on how to make your own with a view of attaching a bumpkey to it?

by **Wrenchman** » 16 Oct 2006 17:04

That was a pretty sloppy job, with that bump key, IMO!

Wrenchman

by **globallockytoo** » 16 Oct 2006 17:21

Yes...i've known about that site for a long time. There are links there that also show as ASSA twin being bumped.

It may be too hot to handle for the public site IMHO...

by **Availor** » 16 Oct 2006 18:19

Shrub wrote:Are you looking for how a pick gun works and ideas on how to make your own with a view of attaching a bumpkey to it?

Exactly. I know how a pick gun works, I just want to see it on a picture - that would be enough for me to know what tools to use on making one.

by **Shrub** » 16 Oct 2006 19:35

Well you do have me a little mixed up as to what your actaul question is, your title has no resemblence to what you went on to ask and your links dont have a lot to do with what you ask,

I summise you want to make an automatic bumpkey gun and would like to know if its either been done before (yes it has) and what electric guns and manual guns look like inside?

You say you know how a pickgun works but i think you meant you know how they open locks not how they work inside,

If this assumption is correct then you can find all the info you want by simply useing the search button which you should know by now but as you dont seem great with the language i have done a quick search for you and found you some links i think will help you, if they dont then ive wasted my time and youve still got questions so please come back and try to elaborate on what your asking of us :wink:

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by **JoeLansing** » 16 Oct 2006 20:01

An electric bump tool sounds like a good idea. But in practice it sounds like a pain. Especialy if you want it to turn the cylinder.

The pick gun should tap and turn (slightly) the blank key almost at the same time.

The bump sounds easy enough. Shorten the stroke on an electric carving knife. Or maybe a sewing machine for those big keyways..

I've got it! Shorten the travel on an electric plug spinner, and just bolt a powerful woman's personal vibrator to the back of it!. You'd get a turning effect and a variable bump. :roll:

- Joe

by **Availor** » 17 Oct 2006 7:23

Shrub, you got me right, thanks for the links. I want to create a bump - key pick gun and wanted to find pictures for it. I guess the bump pickgun would work pretty much as a regular pick gun, with a slight difference of tapping the key as well.

Thanks for the links again.

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