Bumping vs Sidebar

[Pickitup]

Hei guys recently i bumped lots and lots of locks making bump keys from original keys.

My question now is this:
Are Sidebar systems a problem for the bumping tecnique?

[Shrub]

Some are some arent, you need to know somthing about the lock to make it happen,

Im not sure but im tempted to say this is not for the public forums,

[Pickitup]

Oh sorry bro...
in this not advanced we can only talk:

"Oh i picked my firts"
"Oh 1st lock"
"Ouch my hook is broken in to the lock"
"My firts video"
"My first !"

I wish something better

[Shrub]

I dont know what your post meant but im not your brother and no your incorrect,

If you want to have a read of the rules your welcome but it states that picking/opening/bypassing high security locks are for the advanced sections, i consider sidebar locks to be high securtiy locks,

I did say i wasnt sure so left the thread open instead of locking it, that wasnt to leave the discussion there but to let others input to the question of whether it is suitable or not, if im wrong and other senior members feel its ok and post answers then im ok with that,

[Romstar]

The problem with bumping sidebar locks is the method in which the sidebar functions.

All pins must line up at the exact same time for the sidebar to retract and allow the plug to turn.

As Barry Wells has stated, the easiest way to do this is to create a bump key using a known side bar code.

Most companies sell their systems with a common sidebar code for a specific reseller or region. If you can find that particular sidebar, you have that part beat.

A large number of sidebar systems use single pins, which defeats the mechanical energy transfer technique used in bumping. Medeco sidebars use pins which must be turned so that the slots line up with the fingers in the sidebar, and again the bumping technique doesn't supply this mechanical motion.

Oddly enough, it is easier to "bump" a Medeco than an Assa Twin for example because of the way they are constructed.

Generally however, bumping is nowhere near as effective on an unknown sidebar as it is on a common pin tumbler lock.

Romstar

[Bud Wiser]

Oh sorry bro...
<censored> in this not advanced we can only talk:

"Oh i picked my firts"
"Oh 1st lock"
"Ouch my hook is broken in to the lock"
"My firts video"
"My first <censored>!"

I wish something better

You forgot these too...

"Oh help me with my bump key"
"oh how do I bump locks with sidebars"
"oh how do I bump _____"
Oh how do I make a bump key"
"oh how do I use my bump key"
"oh where do I get bump keys"
"oh how do I make bump keys"
"og my first bump key!"

theres more, but you get the jest

[Pickitup]

This is no really fun

[Romstar]

Heh, actually I tend to be on the other side of the argument.

I don't think it should be banned to talk about picking so-called high security locks.

I think it should be banned to discuss advanced bypass and picking techniques.

If you can open a Medeco with normal picks, or an Assa Twin, or Abloy or whatever, then fine I think you should be able to talk about it.

Its when you get to advanced tools and techniques that things get funny.

Everyone knows you can pick most Japanese import auto locks, and Ford and Chrysler locks, and that its almost impossible to pick GM sidebar locks, but there is nothing advanced about it. They just happen to be on a car. BMW, Audi, Meceedes, Porche and other "laser cut" keys require special tools, and should not be discussed on the public forums.

I think the same should go for any lock. If its so bad that you can pick it without resorting to special techniques or tools, it doesn't deserve the name "high security" in the first place.

The name of the lock shouldn't get it any special treatment. Only the methods used to open it.

I've never understood the argument that you shouldn't discuss safe manipulation. If ever there was a complicated and time consuming skill, that would be it.

Drill points on the other hand should never be in the public forums.

One fellow showed how to pick Abloy Classic. That was fine in my opinion as he basically used standard tools to attack the lock. It got a bit funny when he showed his tool for building a key. That was a great tool, but maybe a bit too far for the public forums.

I am against sharing "advanced opening" techniques, not against picking so-called advanced locks. High security is a function, not a name. The same argument that justifies publishing the bumping technique justifies picking so-called high security locks.

If it exposes a flaw to readily available tools or techniques, than the lock is undeserving of the title. Even if it is installed in 5 million places as a high security lock, if there is a serious flaw it should be exposed.

Special tools and techniques are not flaws, and therefore have no place in the public forums.

Romstar

[ldnlksmth]

It would seem to me (I agree with everything said) that denying access to the picking information of Medeco, ASSA, Abloy etc etc doesn't really increase the security they provide. There's always another way in, and chances are very good that anyone with malicious intent won't actually care how much evidence they leave. Those that do wish to have that information, can get it.

I would be willing to wager money (or tools, more valuable to me) that fewer than one of 100 members of this site have any intent to commit a crime. Anyone that is known to be a skilled lock picker and wants to commit crime probably wouldn't pick the lock anyways, too many questions.

[zeke79]

I am unlocking this simply because I think everyone has acted within the rules so far in this thread. If it gets out of hand, it will be relocked. If an admin thinks otherwise, please relock the thread.