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by What » 22 Nov 2006 22:56
well, my locks finally came in from Austria and so i decided to do a bit of a breakdown for you guys:
Cylinder at the start(w/ key in bg; note the keyway)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ ... C04341.jpg
the lock dismantled
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ ... C04339.jpg
the pinning
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ ... C04338.jpg
sidebar(rear that interacts with cylinder)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ ... C04336.jpg
sidebar(part that interacts with key)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ ... C04335.jpg
detail of the top of the sidebar and the anti picking feature(small 'gray' piece interacts w/key and when key isnt there allows a pin to enter the notch)http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/kevin9490/lockpicking/EVVA%20DPI/DSC04334.jpg
key and sidebar together
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/ ... C04337.jpg
well, i have picked it once, and that was in ~2.5 hours of trying. the anti pick feature of the sidebar is a pain to reset w/o the key in the lock. the warding of the keyway made me mangle my hook pick(it got caught and bent), and i probably will need to buy a new one...
Edited by Zeke79 - changed IMG tags to links
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by What » 22 Nov 2006 22:57
sorry i didnt realize the pics were that big...
oops. 
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by iNtago » 22 Nov 2006 23:02
WOW
very sweet lock
looks very hard... i couldent pick it
sorry about you pick
still in awe,
iNtago
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by n2oah » 23 Nov 2006 1:19
Hmm, it must be an older version of the DPI, since my DPIs both have no top pins, rather finger pins that operate another sidebar on the opposite side of the profile checker. Good job on the picking. 
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by mh » 23 Nov 2006 1:34
Thanks for that post!!!
mh
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by Polkaroo » 23 Nov 2006 1:52
How do the anti-pick features of the sidebar work on this lock? What would happen if you just ground down the side of the key so any sidebar profile would fit?
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by What » 23 Nov 2006 1:56
n2oah wrote:Hmm, it must be an older version of the DPI, since my DPIs both have no top pins, rather finger pins that operate another sidebar on the opposite side of the profile checker. Good job on the picking. 
got any pics of it? if you have more than one im more than willing to trade 
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by What » 23 Nov 2006 2:02
Polkaroo wrote:How do the anti-pick features of the sidebar work on this lock? What would happen if you just ground down the side of the key so any sidebar profile would fit?
if the key is ground down the small circular pin that is visible in the picture of the sidebar where it interacts with the key will be pushed in by the 3rd pin, and this would cause the pin to drop into a groove in the plug where the sidebar is not present(small cutout shown in the plug in the 2nd pic).
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by mh » 23 Nov 2006 4:50
What wrote:Polkaroo wrote:How do the anti-pick features of the sidebar work on this lock? What would happen if you just ground down the side of the key so any sidebar profile would fit?
if the key is ground down the small circular pin that is visible in the picture of the sidebar where it interacts with the key will be pushed in by the 3rd pin, and this would cause the pin to drop into a groove in the plug where the sidebar is not present(small cutout shown in the plug in the 2nd pic).
And the key would be blocked in the lock, or could it be turned back to 0 degrees and pulled out?
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by What » 23 Nov 2006 5:37
the key would be blocked into the lock.
i have some ideas on how it could be avoided, but it isnt appropriate for the open forums.
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by jordyh » 23 Nov 2006 9:02
Please do suggest it in an advanced forum topic, because i'm interested.
(nice shots by the way)
Yours,
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by zeke79 » 23 Nov 2006 10:02
Noah is right. That is an old generation evva dpi. The new locks are totally bump proof as they do not use a normal pin stack as this one does. I have some pics of a new evva dpi cutaway but we'll see if Noah posts the picture of his first  .
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by n2oah » 23 Nov 2006 14:07
What wrote:n2oah wrote:Hmm, it must be an older version of the DPI, since my DPIs both have no top pins, rather finger pins that operate another sidebar on the opposite side of the profile checker. Good job on the picking. 
got any pics of it? if you have more than one im more than willing to trade 
No, I can't trade them, since they're part of a kit. I have the DPI and the DPI-6 (with 6 pins). I'll post photos in a few hours.
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by What » 23 Nov 2006 15:59
ah, i keep forgetting that you have that awesome kit!
anyone know where i can get decent prices on the new ones?
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by n2oah » 23 Nov 2006 23:34
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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