locked KIK, handle turns 90'

by **Krypos** » 28 Jan 2007 3:49

ok guys, i know i havent really been around much lately, but thats because of heavy stress here at home and work and school. anyway........

i was at work, and was telling my boss about my picking, etc. hes cool with it. (though he is convinced im going to jail regardless of my morals) anyway, he wanted to see me in action, so i said "which lock should i pick?" he locks the office door (just a small office, im at a pizza place, no big deal)

so i look at the door, it was like a russwin knockoff. or something, cant remember. anyway, the keyway was plenty spacious. so its locked, and i look at it, its a KIK, not a big deal. but here's the kicker (and im not sure if this is right or not) but the handle turns a good 90' probably when its locked. i have only ever had a deadbolt on my door, and i dont usually play with KIK's, so is that normal?

is it normal for the handle to turn when it is locked?

i ended up not being able to pick it, but i had a lot of uncertainty about it, as i couldnt get any pins to set, because when i tried to apply even tension, i would rest my hand on the handle, and then it would turn.

my boss said the door is broken somehow, so maybe that had something to do with it?

how should one go about this? should you turn the handle and hold it down (or up?) and then proceed? or not turn it at all?

ending of the story: my boss now thinks i cant pick worth beans. i had to take in a deadbolt i knew was working fine and show him. he was a bit scared at that point.

what do you guys think?

by **xnoobandrew** » 28 Jan 2007 4:16

Well in california, the law states that:

Lock Picking is very legal, only if you do it on your own property unless you have consent from the owner your breaking open.

Also whats KIK? Sorry i couldn't help you here. \

Btw (offtopic) ur boss sounds pretty cool guy

by **lunchb0x** » 28 Jan 2007 5:10

i have never seen or heard of a KIK (key in knob) where you can turn the handle when its locked, i would say its broken

by **xnoobandrew** » 28 Jan 2007 5:33

oh thats a KIK.. locks broken, or possibly it has a spool pin, and all the pins are hit to the sheer line cept that and it binds.

Most likely broken! :twisted:

by **UWSDWF** » 28 Jan 2007 5:47

no there is no spool , the door knob, not nessicarly the lock, is broken.

No KiK on the market allows you to turn the knob in the locked position

by **xnoobandrew** » 28 Jan 2007 5:48

So just go call a locksmith or replace the lock yourself..

by **2octops** » 28 Jan 2007 12:02

It depends on what kind of lever it was.

If the lever moved fairly easily, then it's a clutched lever. They are made to break free even if locked to keep people from breaking them. When the lever is locked, the outside lever rotates but does not retract the latch.

If it was flopping around it was broke.

Usually if they are broke and will let you push the lever down in the locked position, it will also retract the bolt.

When picking a clutched lever, apply pressure to your tension wrench, not the lever.

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 28 Jan 2007 12:09

UWSDWF wrote:No KiK on the market allows you to turn the knob in the locked position

except Yale and a couple other manufacturers

by **UWSDWF** » 28 Jan 2007 12:12

meh I was half awake and forgot about clutch levers.... You may now cut my left hand off

by **Krypos** » 28 Jan 2007 18:14

xnoobandrew wrote:Well in california, the law states that:

Lock Picking is very legal, only if you do it on your own property unless you have consent from the owner your breaking open.

thanks, but dont tell me the law. i have well over a thousand posts and am well aware of various laws. in addition, i am not in california.

as well, california law does not state that, it says what many states in the US say, and that is that ownership is legal so long as you have no intent to commit a crime with them. not quite the same thing.

2octops wrote:It depends on what kind of lever it was.

If the lever moved fairly easily, then it's a clutched lever. They are made to break free even if locked to keep people from breaking them. When the lever is locked, the outside lever rotates but does not retract the latch.

If it was flopping around it was broke.

Usually if they are broke and will let you push the lever down in the locked position, it will also retract the bolt.

When picking a clutched lever, apply pressure to your tension wrench, not the lever.

thank you, yeah, there was spring pressure on the lever, so i push it down and it pushes itself back up. so then it was a clutched lever? ok good to know. been a while since i actually learned anything here. nice to do that every once in a while.

xnoobandrew wrote:oh thats a KIK.. locks broken, or possibly it has a spool pin, and all the pins are hit to the sheer line cept that and it binds.

no spool pin would allow for 90' of rotation. spools usually allow for up to about 15', 20' if its cheap. but even those numbers are pretty crazy in my experience.

locked KIK, handle turns 90'

locked KIK, handle turns 90'

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