Making an unpickable Lock

[mr lockpickman]

, i can't get it to work (the picture)

[karl]

i think i have an unpickible lock,well its not unpickible,but its weird.when you put the key in it turns normally,but when you pick it,the cylinder turns,but the bolt dosnt move.

[ReverseLogic]

Karl,

Do you know anything else about the design of the lock? I'd be interested in hearing anything else you can tell you about that lock. Thanks in advance.

-RL

[karl]

soory,i didnt see your post untill now.sometimes the thing turns but not always,ill show you a pic once i can get a cam.

[Chucklz]

Karl

Your lock may need a piece at the end pushed in to work the cam. Try pushing towrads the back with a pick or tension tool while turning.

[Lockpick Dan]

Correct me if i'm wrong but with the type of lock that the plug is cut into 3 pieces u wouldn't be able to just pick the last piece because u would have one heck of a time turning the tension tool just at the back without turning at the front and u wouldn't be able to turn it at the front without picking the front, or am i as is likely missing something obvious?

[funboy79015]

If you used a tesion wrench that was long enough to reach the back section of such a lock, and only the tip of the wrench was wide enough to be able to exert tension on the lock. Then you would be able to pick the rear section by itself.

it would look something like this:


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[Lockpick Dan]

but, it would take some pretty specialized tools, and if there ran't that many of these locks in production many people wouldn't bother to buy/make tension tools like this

[HeadHunterCEO]

another 30 seconds worth of thought cuz you guys are stil runnin with my cut plug design.

if the keyway was real thin like those garage door locks made in china think what would happen if you tried to rotate the rear section without first picking the first two sections?

the wrench would get in the way of the plug turning

same goes for the second section

now check this out

say you pick the first section
- how will you apply tension to the second part without rewseting the first?



i think one long tension wrench that ran along the bottom of the keyway would be the only way to pop it.

unpickable? no
pain in the ass? definately


now if this plug was made to mirror the look of a kw or sch perfectly then it would look just like the most common locks in the us and on 90% of peoples doors then we would be full circle to where i orginally came from with this.

deception

[Mad Mick]

What if a tension wrench was made, which was the normal size to correctly fit the keyway on the first say 2mm, then slimmed down so that it would rotate in the first two sections. Surely that would be able to tension the last section correctly without interfering with the first two sections. As the plug was freed by picking the last pins, the pick would have to be withdrawn before turning the plug.

Another idea would be to use a round gauge wire and bend an L shaped end to it. This would pass through the first two sections and possibly past the last pin stack. Pick the last section until the plug gives, withdraw the pick and pick the next section, and so on.

[Lockpick Dan]

Right but that would require a very specialized pick and I doubt that we're thinking mass production so it probobly wouldn't be worth it to make/buy a special lock for a fraction of a percent of the locks in the US.

[Exodus5000]

I read the title to this post recently and got an idea, the lock certainly wouldn't be un-pickable, but it would take more time.

I use a tubular lock for the basis of my idea. A tubular lock has it's pins distributed around its perimeter, they must be picked and the hull will turn.

My idea is a modified pin tumbler lock. The way it would work is, there would be 4 bottom pins and 16 top pins. at every 90 degree interval in the lock, there would rest another set of top pins. So if the proper key is inserted it would rotate freely, however if being picked, it would have to be re-picked at every 90 degree interval. Its probably overkill for security reasons, but i think it's kinda neat.

[Romstar]

I think that idea has been used, and there might even be a number of defeats for it.

I've been thinking of this whole "unpickable" lock thing for a while, and I might have an idea. I am not sure if I have the necessary ability, or even the tools to make a prototype, but I might be silly enough to post a sketch of my idea.

It's based on the tubular concept as well, but.......

4-8 horizontal pin stacks, the same as the tubular, also in addition, 4-8 vertical pin stacks, similar to the pin tumbler. the key would resemble a normal style tubular with dimple style depressions surrounding it's outside.

I'll see if I can make a decent image of this idea soon.

Has anyone seen a lock at all similar to this idea?
Romstar

[Pheniox]

all ithat would take would be a tublar pick with a hole in the middle for you to put your favorite pick thouhg.

[tave]

i need help pickin my lock that has no combo, can u please help me, my email is sag_1_2_3@hotmail.com , please help me!