Mortice Locks

[steve 2020]

Hi

I live in the uk and every door has these types of locks on the and i just cant seem to find the right tool and way to get these locks open can any one help ?

Steve

[sotsog]

Are you talking about multiple levers ????????
There are ways to unlock them


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[Jlo]

Hi,

Yes I live in the UK as well. 5 lever mortice locks are very popular as well as cylinder locks. These date back to the chubb design but are still hard to pick by todays standards. It is possible with the right tools (Which I have not got!) or they can be impressioned.

If they are insurance approved they will be minimum of 5 levers. Drill resistent case, Levers will have false notches and their will be a curtain that rotates with the key within the lock. (Prevents access of lock picking tools into the Lock body.

You can read up about these locks and go to falle tools which do impressioning kits and picks/decoders. Go to 'search' and then click on falle decoders.

Hope this helps

Jlo

[Chubby]

I believe you will find what you are looking for here:
http://www.multipick-service.com/en/start_en.htm
¡Hecho!

[The Key Maker]

Hi chubby, that link points us to the main page, what tools are you talkin about specifically. I have serched over that site and can only find a few things that relate to lever locks, what are you specifically pointing out is there!!??

[CuMsCrOtE]

The multi pick site dosnt have the kit to open lever locks..

The thing with lever locks is that they are very secure, ie to the run of the mill burglar or theif.. and i was wondering why you were interested in the tools to open them, cos if you were a locksmith of any sort you would have at the very least half a clue!

Im not saying ur anything other than curious, but there are some things that are better left to secure forums for people in the 'Biz'..

Some of the tools are V Very expencive so are not realy for hobbyists..

[s0rted]

My god listen to yourself , you think this is some kind of black art , get a grip this is the age of infomation technology , dinosuars like you are ( thnkfully) rare.

All the best to you and your silly little world

[CuMsCrOtE]

Prehistoric i may be , but when it becoms common knowlage how to bypass or defeat these locks it would have become pointless even fitting them!

Im just being realistic in saying that these types of subjects are better left unsaid..

It's nice to leave something to the imagination.. lol.

LEVER LOCKS.. Our last line of defence...

[PickPick]

Prehistoric i may be , but when it becoms common knowlage how to bypass or defeat these locks it would have become pointless even fitting them!

It's not a matter of whether these locks can be defeated or not, it's just depends on how difficult it is. If it just depends on noone finding out the magic trick, the lock is worthless. I mean Hobbs picked Chubb's locks at the great exhibition, the press covered it widely and the basic design is still the same.
While I do appreciate the existence of a secure forum, I don't like the "these types of subjects are better left unsaid" attitude and leaving it to people in the 'Biz'. This is a lockpicking forum for hobbyists and curious minds and if we want it or not, we'll keep on finding tricks and stepping on some toes in the 'Biz'.
I don't expect you to publish a tutorial on doing it but dropping some words won't hurt anybody.

2-in-1 picks, pin and cam systems, lever wires, clay impressions, octoscopes, blackening the levers

Happy thinking to the curious.

[toomush2drink]

While I do appreciate the existence of a secure forum, I don't like the "these types of subjects are better left unsaid" attitude and leaving it to people in the 'Biz'. This is a lockpicking forum for hobbyists and curious minds and if we want it or not, we'll keep on finding tricks and stepping on some toes in the 'Biz'.

Pickpick would you still feel that way if your house was broken into and if the thief was caught they admitted finding out how to break in on this website.Some things should remain out of the public domain lets face it with pick guns available to anyone im glad we have 5 lever mortice locks and not much information on how to defeat them in the public domain.
Since when was this forum just for hobbyists ? it seems that a lot of locksmiths visit it and post here.

Just my pennies worth

toomush

[Safekey]

Most burglars would be behind bars if they spent the time picking a 5 lever insurance standard lock! It's no easy task and the tools needed are expensive.

My advice, for what it's worth is the same for any/all types of locks... If you want to know how to open it, you first need to know how it works.
Try stripping down the lock and drawing a diagram to scale. Keep copies in a file with coded information (encase it gets lost/stolen) and refer back to your drawings over time. Also record the colour of the case and the drill points and how you would go about opening the lock if a friend called you after loosing his/her keys. Copying other people's material is no good.... you learn very little!

[Chucklz]

This discussion seems to be getting a bit heated. We all have strong sentiments about information sharing etc. Please keep this civil (as it has been for the most part) and don't let this turn into a firefight. If you make me extinguish the thread.. Ill have Pheniox extinguish you (He is the official Evil mod).

[Dark Angel]

With holding information on picking lever locks is ridiculous,probably 80% of house front doors are only ever locked by there cylinder lock.
No one seems to feel that the sharing of information on picking these locks are taboo.
Lever locks are difficult to pick at the best of times,i have never once heard of a thief picking a lever lock to burglar a house.The amount of time,knowledge and experience needed would simply no be worth it.
Lever locks are older than pin cylinders and work on a basic mechanism of a set of pre cut levers that will align when the correct key is inserted into the lock.This will create a gate that the bolt can then slide through thus opening the lock.
The basic idea behind picking a lever lock is to simply lift each lever whilst applying tension to the bolt,then when all the levers are aligned the bolt will slide back opening the door.
The picking of a lever lock is similar of that of picking a pin cylinder lock,only the mechanics work on a diffrent basis.

[PickPick]

Since when was this forum just for hobbyists ? it seems that a lot of locksmiths visit it and post here.

Maybe I wasn't exact enough in what I've written, I didn't mean that the forum wasn't for locksmiths, what I wanted to say is that this forum caters to people who see the act of lockpicking, of opening locks by finesse not only as a way of gaining access but as a goal in itself. And this requires an open discussion (with certain limitations of course). If locksmiths want to talk to 'Biz' people only they can do so on Clearstar or conventions, if they don't want to share certain knowledge, that's ok but they don't have to post it.

Pickpick would you still feel that way if your house was broken into and if the thief was caught they admitted finding out how to break in on this website.Some things should remain out of the public domain lets face it with pick guns available to anyone im glad we have 5 lever mortice locks and not much information on how to defeat them in the public domain.

To break into a flat or a house, a thief won't use picktools but a nice fat screwdriver or a crowbar. And if a lock can be defeated just because the trick is suddenly known, it's worthless and the manufacturer should be roasted over an open fire. If the lock can be picked in seconds because someone thought it a good idea to protect goods worth several thousands of Euros with a 5 Euro lock from the hardware store, that person has noone to blame but himself. Even Paladin Press had infos on opening levers in one of their crap books as far as I remember but thiefs still use force, at least the last time I talked to a lock forensic expert from the German police, that was still the case.

While I understand your concerns, I think the real risks are weak doors/frames or drills, those who pick locks for surreptitios entry enroll in MBAs 'tactical' courses.

[toomush2drink]

The only reason i said about keeping it out of the public domain is because i know some instances around my area where an electric pick gun has been used to get in also i know a few vans that have been done by precise drilling with only 2mm holes.Now it doesnt make the news as the police dont want to start other thieves having ago at it.Thats why i said what i said not to have a go at yourself, thieves are getting more resourceful and incredibley skillful, this has been said to me many times by my police friends. Check this link http://thief.suddenlaunch2.com/index.cgi Would you like to see stuff from this forum on this site ?
I understand what you are saying about forcing the doors etc but sooner or later things will change and i would prefer not to contribute to any bad changes.

Throwing pickpick a beer for intelligent debate

toomush