Looking for a particular bump video

[Johnny P]

I'm sure I saw this on this site. It was a video a member had made of what he called "soft bumping" or something to that efect.

Basically, what he did was use a bump key without using the tomahawk (or whatever most of us use.) He simply pushed the bump key in the plug with his hand and turned it.

I know I wasn't dreaming.

The reason I asked is because someone and their partner have found out scientifically exactly what makes the process of bumping work and it's not the way we have all believed to this point. They have done this with new software they have based on some earlier computer hardware principles and can run simulations.

Anyhoo, I told him I would try to find this video as I believe the person who posted it has somehow tapped into the not-previously-realised physical properties of locks and how bumping actually works.

Whoever made that video, could you please re-post it or give me the link to it again? I have run a search but simply can't locate it. I've gone back to December of 2006. I think it was in the middle of someone else's thread.

[lunchb0x]

bumping works with the same theory as what a pick gun does and im sure alot of people know about it already

im interested in what this "couple" have come up with but if they are trying to say thats its not the same theory as how a pick gun opens a lock then they are wrong

[Jaakko]

im interested in what this "couple" have come up with

I think they have invented cold fusion No, seriously, the OP could explain why the bumping won't work like it has been working all the time since Newtons discovery?

[Shrub]

Illusion is the one who was bumping with his hand but i am sure they are not for copying to elsewhere,

I am not interested in bumping but whilst trying to hold back a smirk i am interested to know what the new newtons style law is that this couple have invented,

I actually think i know what they believe happens and they are wrong but i will let it run its course just as it has done in the past,

Illusion isnt around much right now but a good search of the bumming threads should bring it up otherwise pm him,

[jimb]

I'm sure I saw this on this site. It was a video a member had made of what he called "soft bumping" or something to that efect.

Basically, what he did was use a bump key without using the tomahawk (or whatever most of us use.) He simply pushed the bump key in the plug with his hand and turned it.

I have read about this technique, but have never seen a video of it being done. I suspect that all that is happening is that the lock is being raked open with the key and not being bumped open.

[Eyes_Only]

Sounds like another attempt to "improve" on an already played out technique that will never really catch on like spring bumping.

[raimundo]

It requires sacrificing chicken blood to the oba

[Johnny P]

Actually, they have a computer simulation (not animation) whhich proves the Newton's cradle theory is not the way bumping works. Matter of fact, it proves the pins dont separate as the stack is pushed upward, but rather as the stack is returning down.

He is from England and I think his partner is in the US, though I could be wrong about this. They've taken into effect mathmatics and numerous other factors as well as photographing what is going on and graphing the timing and all sorts of other things scientifically.

He is being very close to the chest on any information because of several patents applied for.

[Jaakko]

"Looky looky what I have discovered, but I don't tell you any info and just tell you something shite"

That is what your "friends" story tells me. THe theory behind bumping is already explained and proved many times and I think your "friends" have never heard of Occam's razor

[Shrub]

I have an open mind and am more than willing to accept differant theories or statements if the evidence is there to back it up which it seems it should be,

I have to say though that if the pins separate on their way down then what makes the bottom key pin fal faster than the top pin to make the shear line?

I also suggest that it is actually still newtons law that bounces them up in the first place thus it is somthing to do with it

The final thing i want to mention is that the only way this can be proved for sure is to make a lock that is totally unaffected by any modifacation but has been modified so that the pin chambers etc can be filmed with a fast speed camera so that the full process can be watched back in slow motion,

If they have gone that far into it then great i await the results otherwise they are never gogin to be believed by the mass im afraid as phisics dictate the theory we already have to be the correct one,

As another note there was a thread a while ago stating the same thing by a professor or somthing in one of the unis, he had done all the background work etc as well, i wonder if its the same person,

[thubanpete]

I hate to say it, but I think you may be getting taken for a ride, Johnny.

Any scientific/technical papers, journal articles, etc. that you could provide would be very helpful for us to verify what your friend is saying.

-ThubanPete

[UWSDWF]

"Looky looky what I have discovered, but I don't tell you any info and just tell you something shite"

That is what your "friends" story tells me. THe theory behind bumping is already explained and proved many times and I think your "friends" have never heard of Occam's razor

how the heck does Occam's razor play in here?

Occam's razor never intended the removal of alternative theroy especially to another that isn't nessicarly proven

I think Schrödinger's cat has more application here.... pssssh

[digital_blue]

This "theory" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. To be honest, until I see something substantial, it sounds like much ado about nothing.

Besides... other than for academic reasons, who cares? I don't need to know how Asprin works to use it either.

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[UWSDWF]

I don't need to know how Asprin works to use it either.

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good cause scientists barely understand it either

[Johnny P]

Until they get their patents, they are keeping everythng close to their vests.

They have offered it to ALOA for training purposes.