what is better :/

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 4:31

i understand what youre trying to say, but everything here is as you say "opened for the world", you can use 90% of data here for burglary. rephrasing questions just means manipulating, i wanted to be direct only because of pure knowledge.
however, i appreciate your kind of approach, i wont do it any more if forum rules ground it

by **Raccoon** » 18 May 2007 4:35

Well Avenger, I can truthfully say that I respect you for being forthcoming. However, don't think that you're the only one here who's in the security business, or who has any level of experience with social engineering. While you can certainly /create a new character/ and sign on again, there is still no way you are going to garner any knowledge that in turn permits you to hack through locks like butter. That ability simply does not exist, and requires the appreciation of patience and skill which you have so blatantly disclaimed any interest in.

We're not pissed at you for trying to bamboozle us into "giving up" our sacred knowledge and secrets. We're annoyed because you come on here acting like a little script kiddie asking how to hack some porn sites for passwords, then accuse us of withholding our hax0r powers of the internets.

Truth be told, the only way you are going to pick a lock (YOUR LOCK (?)) is going to be through time and frustration, grief, and an upset stomach. If you "dont care about skill of the lockpicker", then you shouldn't be here-- because you will never pick a lock, and will only annoy the hell out of us with your lame and insulting questions.

So hack at it, and come back when you're ready to learn.

But on the topic; why is it so important for you to open this lock quickly? In all seriousness here, explain to us this concept of "what is quicker is better." Do you really believe that the many hundreds of us here don't try to perform our hobby as quickly and e/proficiently as possible? This equates to speed, and if time and dedication only barely pays off for many of us here, what makes you think you can sign on and expect anything better with no effort?

If you call yourself a hacker, then at least act like one. Stop kiddying us.

by **Raccoon** » 18 May 2007 4:40

In response to DaveG's comment and your reply-- it's really here-nor-there. Have a search of the forum yourself, and you'll find the same old things.

There is no diamond buried in the rough of sweet talk that will give you advantage over a vending machine. Just because someone phrases a question innocently doesn't make that vending machine any less physically secure-- just as a similarly innocent question isn't going to make Apache any less secure. There are real-world physics involved, and even more-so in the lock picking world. You can't sweet talk a mechanical device into opening for you, and that knowledge simply doesn't exist. If it did, we wouldn't be picking locks "the old fashioned way".

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 4:46

first of all

While you can certainly /create a new character/ and sign on again, there is still no way you are going to garner any knowledge that in turn permits you to hack through locks like butter

i wanted to show you that i CAN get what i want, if you tell me peacefully what is quicker it still wont give me the skill in my hands to really open a lock.
however, i still dont know why do you consider me as a script kiddie, im not asking you to tell me all about something that i first hear of, i read all the time, and i practice on this misery locks that my budget can support.

back to topic again:

If you "dont care about skill of the lockpicker", then you shouldn't be here-- because you will never pick a lock

i said that only to imply (is it spelled that way?) that i want your professional opinion about what is generally quicker.
i dont need to know what is quicker in order not to get caught or something, i just wanted to know, because i would like to experiment on all methods, and if i know what is quicker, it will save me a lot of my nerves when im stuck lockpicking a lock in just one way, afterall, we all enjoy the *click* when the lock is finally opened

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 4:50

Just because someone phrases a question innocently doesn't make that vending machine any less physically secure

i dont think you get my point...i wont talk to no vending machine, and i know that everything is physically secure, but would you have ever picked any lock if it wasnt for reading talking and pure understanding how everything works...NO, and i want to know as much as i can

by **Raccoon** » 18 May 2007 4:54

Well if that's the case, then you only just had to ask peaceably. Why shroud your post in a veil of insults and illicit intent?

It's not that we were trying to withhold any particularly new or useful knowledge (everything zeke told you is included in every lockpicking manual, has been mentioned n-fold times over if you just Search)... we simply don't like your kind around here, and chose to bash and berate you until you leave (or more commonly, banned). Again, not because you pose any security risk to the world around you, but because people like you tend to upset the flow of this forum.

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 5:04

well sorry, but i didnt offend you, you offended me.
and i really dont know whats your point in "not liking my kind here", EVERYTHING is in manuals, EVERYTHING is already asked, you can search for something, and eventually you will find it. 95% posts here can be found in some sort of manuals.

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 5:07

i couldnt be more friendly then i am, and im sorry that you think of me like that but IMHO i didnt deserve it

btw, you could add "edit" in forum posts, very usefull if you ask me

by **Raccoon** » 18 May 2007 5:10

Well, reading your first two posts again, and understanding why they were locked, I still lay claim to having been insulted (as a member of this forum).

I'm not even going to bother asking who the first 3 doors belonged to. Don't tell me they belonged to you, too, because very few homes have exterior locked doors. Or you have rich parents.

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 5:17

what?
what are you talking about, what exterior door locks...EVERY house in my neighbourhood, and my city, and my country has the lock system that inside of door looks like this

and all three were legal, one at my girlfriends house, and other to at my brothers work, and they all have that same mechanism

by **Raccoon** » 18 May 2007 5:18

Avenger wrote:i couldnt be more friendly then i am, and im sorry that you think of me like that but IMHO i didnt deserve it

btw, you could add "edit" in forum posts, very usefull if you ask me

Also discussed ad nauseum, but I'll summarize.

The Edit button was removed because it was abused by people who caused problems, incited flame wars, etc., then deleted the evidence after the damage to a thread was done. By the time a moderator could step in, it was hard to tell what really happened or who started it. That, and anyone could sneakily edit in spam/defacements without the thread appearing as it had a New Post. So nobody would find the crap post until weeks, months or years went by until it got stumbled on, resurrected and flamed.

by **UWSDWF** » 18 May 2007 5:18

Avenger wrote:btw, you could add "edit" in forum posts, very usefull if you ask me

never gonna happen... search for the edit button posts if you're curious but just don't ask.. it stirs up a whole different hornet's nest

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 5:19

*...and other TOO at my....*

and lock mechanism is clasical pin lock...if we dont count 5% that have fancy and expensive locks

by **Raccoon** » 18 May 2007 5:21

Avenger wrote:... and other to at my brothers work

There's no question that exterior doors have this type of lockset. I was simply stating that you do not OWN 4 exterior doors that have locks on them. By your own claim, you manipulated the locks on your brother's place of employment. Did you specifically get expressed written permission from corporate headquarters? Are you licensed, bonded OR insured?

by **UWSDWF** » 18 May 2007 5:21

what country are you in where that model of lock is mandatory?

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