Looking for a particular bump video

[Johnny P]

It's not just the padlocks they'll be using this on. It will be in all of their locks.

It would be a huge master-keying project that would require more than 3 stacks with master wafers and if a company is that large they will probably be using a better grade of lock.

The Master Entry and Deadbolt locks, for the most part, are grade 3 used for residences. Where I live, it is illegal for apartment complexes to master key their units so it isn't even a problem. Had to do with a lawsuit about 9 or 10 years ago.

The big scare with the bump key phenomonin (sp?) was the one family household being broken into by someone without any evidence that someone broke in. So, if Master Lock is correct, this problem has been solved as far as gaining entrance by bumping.

This will be my last post on this site as I really don't like being called numerous names and having my motives questioned when all I was trying to do was show that there might be an alternative theory as to what made bumping possible.

Goodby LP101

[UWSDWF]

[Shrub]

See ya Johhny, shame you started all this but dont have the conviction to see it through and are running without showing us anything but thats fair enough,

I have to say that im supprised that advertiseing bumpf from a lock maker that calls its locks high security is taken so litery, they egsagorate to sell locks the story of a high speed camera could for all we know be total crap (i think it is and il tell you why),

Im interested to know what gravity they use which makes the bottom pin drop down faster than the spring acting on the top pin can work,

I would like to know what happens in locks mounted euro style as in upside down to what you know,

Locks with counter bores were around many years ago in development and brought to market at least over 12 months ago, masterlock have merely copied the idea and then come up with some shite to suggest they havent copied the idea,
The patent wil not hold up as theres locks already out there with counter bores,
If its not a counter bore thing i appolagise but ive so little interest in bumping i havent read the master stuff so appolagise if thats the wrong track,

I have used a high speed camera in the past, im gogin back 5 years now so things could have changed but when i was working with them the cost made them only useable for the most important and expensive jobs, i dont think master lock woul have spent that amont of money running a hired high speed camera for a week to proove this, show me the film and i will believe them otherwise its just all advertiseing jargon to me,

Eitherway to fact still remains that the key and pins arent connected,
The key is hit and the pins move, that isnt magic its newtons law,

If masterlock or your scientist friends have reinvented newtons physics then its a worldwide scoop and they wil rewrite hstory and the future because all sorts of things will become possable such as the combustion engine would be renderd useless over night as people would be able to get free energy from other sources,

Every action has an equal reaction,

If you chose to leave then so be it no loss to myself personaly but for the site i have to ask that you make your decision wisely, it would be a shame to loose a member but on the same note were not gogin to get the black cars out,

[globallockytoo]

It's not just the padlocks they'll be using this on. It will be in all of their locks.

It would be a huge master-keying project that would require more than 3 stacks with master wafers and if a company is that large they will probably be using a better grade of lock.

The Master Entry and Deadbolt locks, for the most part, are grade 3 used for residences. Where I live, it is illegal for apartment complexes to master key their units so it isn't even a problem. Had to do with a lawsuit about 9 or 10 years ago.

The big scare with the bump key phenomonin (sp?) was the one family household being broken into by someone without any evidence that someone broke in. So, if Master Lock is correct, this problem has been solved as far as gaining entrance by bumping.

This will be my last post on this site as I really don't like being called numerous names and having my motives questioned when all I was trying to do was show that there might be an alternative theory as to what made bumping possible.

Goodby LP101

Johnny P,

One of the reasons sites like this exist is so that people who are interested in discussing related issues, can do so in relative anonymity. You too, can come in here and make your point of view freely. We all get ridiculed from time to time...but you need to adopt a thicker skin...pal.

Often, some of the insulting peanut gallery simply challenge a persons point of view but rather than do so with any sort of political correctness, they choose to get on their high horses and prove their low level of maturity.

More often, those challenges are tailored to make the poster provide proof or explain the theory with evidence to back it up.

The fact here that somebody is challenging your point of view (albeit - with derogatory insults) about Master...and even though you cite articles recently published in respected industry journals....the fact that Master has not produced their evidence...or made these high speed pictures available for independant scrutiny....means that many people are likely to disagree and fight tooth and nail to trounce upon them and anyone who supports them.

This will all clear up...if and when Master decide to make their evidence public.

Your point about Appartments not being allowed to be master-keyed has not been explained. Appartment complexes can and are master-keyed for very specific reasons, including cost reduction (long term), ease of accessability (like a common entry), maintenance and key control.

Appartments in "your" area are not allowed? I dont think so....more often people can install another secondary lock to their doors with a separate key.

Please state the lawsuit details so we can all know if what you say is the truth.

If you choose to leave sobeit....but you will be the loser not us!

[n00bking]

I found the vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huxX322m ... ed&search=

[Shrub]

That video was posted after this thread was made so i suspect its not the video,

[globallockytoo]

That video shows an old Lockwood 8658 security door lock (Australian), no longer in production.

The cylinder is an oval (570 type) cylinder, originally came in 5 pin...later upgraded to 6 pin (to allow for restricted plugs)

These cylinders were able to be opened in that method....not because they were being "bumped".....but because slight turning pressure on the key whilst withdrawing it....allowed the bottom pins to bind.

Often...these old cylinders were pinned with bottom pins used as top pins...because many hardware stores (who didnt re-calibrate their key machines) often cut slightly deeper keys...and customers often sought locksmith services to repin the locks so all varying keys worked.

Using bottom pins as top pins (with the bullet end down) significantly increased the tolerance in these cylinders (or any for that matter).



Sorry for digressing.


Ive removed a small part of this post, global we try to keep that tool to the advanced forums, sorry

[bumr055]

Okay, reading this thread...
I made a bumpkey for a lock once and I could bump it with my hand.

Thinking it was just a REALLY crappy lock or something but, after playing around with it a noticed that, pushing the key in really slow that somehow the key put the pins in the right place and it could turn.

Not positive that this is what the OP is talking about but, thats just my 2 cents.

BTW, i havent been on this forum in what feels like forever because i lost my lockpicks, but i found them and now IM BACK!

-Bumross