Why don't locksmiths design locks?

[SnowyBoy]

Would make sense in a way wouldn't it?

[lunchb0x]

why do you think that locksmiths have nothing to do with the designing and manufacturing of locks?

[SnowyBoy]

Perhaps they do, I don't know.......hence why i am asking

[Dragunov-21]

Perhaps a better question would have been "*Do* locksmiths design locks?", to which my answer would be "Yes. Certainly there are locksmiths who aren't interested, but many do."

[lunchb0x]

yes locksmiths are involved with designing locks and security products, whether they work fo rthe companys making locks or give feed back on the product

[maintenanceguy]

In the days before mass production and assembly lines, this is exactly what a locksmith did.

Today, machines can build locks at a tiny fraction of what it would cost to have one hand made so locksmiths today fix and install locks instead of build them.

[Eyes_Only]

I hope in the future a member of the locksport community will play a key role in designing locks as well, if not already like Han Fey. Locksmiths and lock manufactures have spent the past several decades coming up with many locks that took us just a few years to circumvent. I think our input in the matter is legit.

[87ELC2]

Whether locks are designed by engineers, locksmiths or hobbyists, accountants will still have the final say about what gets produced and how it will be produced... Potentially great features will be left on the drafting room floor simply because they cost too much to implement.

[SnowyBoy]

Whether locks are designed by engineers, locksmiths or hobbyists, accountants will still have the final say about what gets produced and how it will be produced... Potentially great features will be left on the drafting room floor simply because they cost too much to implement.

So really they are compromising our security for finacial reasons?

If the above were true, then they could produce a lock that is absolutely invincible if they really wanted to?

[zeke79]

Whether locks are designed by engineers, locksmiths or hobbyists, accountants will still have the final say about what gets produced and how it will be produced... Potentially great features will be left on the drafting room floor simply because they cost too much to implement.

So really they are compromising our security for finacial reasons?

If the above were true, then they could produce a lock that is absolutely invincible if they really wanted to?

No, if man put it together then someone can defeat it. I mean.... we are cloning sheep these days.

[SnowyBoy]

Whether locks are designed by engineers, locksmiths or hobbyists, accountants will still have the final say about what gets produced and how it will be produced... Potentially great features will be left on the drafting room floor simply because they cost too much to implement.

So really they are compromising our security for finacial reasons?

If the above were true, then they could produce a lock that is absolutely invincible if they really wanted to?

No, if man put it together then someone can defeat it. I mean.... we are cloning sheep these days.

I'm pretty sure in this day and age of 'cloning sheep' (cloning an animal that looks identical to the next anyway is a bit pointless really) that we can come up with a lock that is not defeatable unless the correct key is used.

[Dragunov-21]

Certainly it's possible to make picking etc *almost* impossible, but I imagine that once a certain point is reached, the cost would increase exponentially, and who wants to spend thousands on a mechanical lock who's security can be matched by an electrical lock for a fraction of the price?

[illusion]

There are other factors involved.

It's about convenience - In the event of a lockout even the most formidable of vaults needs to have some way for a trained person to open them in a reasonable time scale. It's all very good making a vault with walls the size of a house and cmplete with all the bells and whistles, but if a compny gets locked out and needs to retrieve or place things inside, it would be problematic if took a week or more to get inside.

If the above were true, then they could produce a lock that is absolutely invincible if they really wanted to?

Bugatti now makes the Veyron - A car that surpassed everything imho. They spent so much that they ended up with a road legal car that is faster than everything else in the commercial market. You know what the problem with this is? They lose money with every car they sell because the costs are so high, and so they have to lower it in order to sell any. There aren't a huge number of companies that operate this way.

So really they are compromising our security for finacial reasons?

Money makes the world go round - There will be factors that can make even the fairest of organisations do such things.

The lock should always be the at the bottom of the list in terms of secuirty priority - An intruder shoudn't be able to get close enough to the door to pick it.

[brianwrenn]

My grampa is a locksmith and used to disabe safes when he was younger, to see how long it took to open it or sompthing(i dont really know). But he just said to me that major companies have a "Locksmith Council" every ones in a while. Like a medical doctor has a surgical council.

Sorry about spelling, im only 15 and im a retard when it comes to typing

[Eyes_Only]

There are other factors involved.

It's about convenience - In the event of a lockout even the most formidable of vaults needs to have some way for a trained person to open them in a reasonable time scale. It's all very good making a vault with walls the size of a house and cmplete with all the bells and whistles, but if a compny gets locked out and needs to retrieve or place things inside, it would be problematic if took a week or more to get inside.

If the above were true, then they could produce a lock that is absolutely invincible if they really wanted to?

Bugatti now makes the Veyron - A car that surpassed everything imho. They spent so much that they ended up with a road legal car that is faster than everything else in the commercial market. You know what the problem with this is? They lose money with every car they sell because the costs are so high, and so they have to lower it in order to sell any. There aren't a huge number of companies that operate this way.

So really they are compromising our security for finacial reasons?

Money makes the world go round - There will be factors that can make even the fairest of organisations do such things.

The lock should always be the at the bottom of the list in terms of secuirty priority - An intruder shoudn't be able to get close enough to the door to pick it.

I think Acura was the same way with the NSX.