Help with Yale padlock

by **DeeRav** » 16 Oct 2007 20:23

Hi guys, I've been playing with pin tumbler locks, and have got four and five pin basic locks down, but this one is giving me some real grief.

I think its a Yale 600 or K680, its 6 pin, and I was wondering if anyone has had much experience with these, and specifically whether they have any security pins. If anyone could enlighten me on this matter that would be lovely.

Cheers

by **DeeRav** » 17 Oct 2007 8:39

Also, what is the silver coloured shield around the keyway, and the large blob. Are these security features (prevent drilling etc) or is it just for show?

by **Jaakko** » 17 Oct 2007 10:15

DeeRav wrote:Also, what is the silver coloured shield around the keyway, and the large blob. Are these security features (prevent drilling etc) or is it just for show?

You can probably disassemble the lock. When you open it, look in the shackles hole, there should be a screw. Remove it and the silvery plate drops and the lock cylinder can be removed. The lare "blob" is the nut for the holding screw

by **ilmr** » 17 Oct 2007 10:26

DeeRav wrote:Also, what is the silver coloured shield around the keyway, and the large blob. Are these security features (prevent drilling etc) or is it just for show?

The silver color shield prolly adds some safety from drilling and even dust. It also limits the rotation of the plug when a key is used.

by **DeeRav** » 17 Oct 2007 11:01

aahhh great....will give it a go later thanks guys

by **DeeRav** » 18 Oct 2007 10:33

Jaakko wrote:You can probably disassemble the lock. When you open it, look in the shackles hole, there should be a screw. Remove it and the silvery plate drops and the lock cylinder can be removed. The large "blob" is the nut for the holding screw

Jaako you were absolutely right! This padlock gets used so I didnt remove the pins, but will buy another as this will make an excellent practice lock. I have been wanting to make a lock with removable pins to get to understand binding a bit better, and this way seems a lot easier than drilling holes etc....

Thanks for the help on this......

by **MacGyver101** » 18 Oct 2007 11:23

You've probably already figured this out... but the holes on the bottom of the cylinder housing are to allow for rekeying: if you insert the key and rotate it 180Â°, you can remove and replace the bottom pins. (It's easiest, however, to completely disassemble the cylinder if you wish to remove the spring and driver from any of the pinstacks.)

by **Jaakko** » 18 Oct 2007 17:03

No problems mate

I hope you will get started with this hobby, as it seems that you are very into it already

Eveerything good for you and hope to hear more of your doings, as the pictures above are very detailed and in focus!

by **DeeRav** » 19 Oct 2007 11:46

Well, I took the pins out, look what I found.........

5 security spools and 3 serrated pins. Maybe thats why I got nowhere with this!

Still I have put it back together with only 3 pins now, one standard and two security, and am beginning to get the hang of what security pins feel like when they set, and have cracked this setup fairly easily. The only problem I am having is that the further back in the lock i go, the harder it is to feel what is going on, and the less room i seem to have to manipulate the pins. A thinner/smaller pick maybe?

More practice I guess.......

On to four pins

by **criminalhate** » 20 Oct 2007 0:37

What type of pick are you using?

by **BrownLeopard** » 20 Oct 2007 0:46

Seems like that is a pretty secure lock in general, as far as picking goes. Of course, the hasp itself seems a little.....flimsy...

...but I'd like to get one of these to toy with the security pins a bit. This Abus I have is giving me issues, and I'd like to toy with spools to see how they feel. This seems to give the best of both worlds!

by **greyman** » 20 Oct 2007 6:52

It might be the mix of spool pins and the fact that it's a padlock. You should try picking just the cylinder (not installed in the padlock). Padlocks often have a strong spring to lock the shackle and that can reduce your sense of feel. Good luck

by **raimundo** » 20 Oct 2007 7:54

While it says yale, it looks completely like an american brand lock so while you breakdown dosent show the bypass sheild, it may be possible to make some hardened wire that will reach clear through the keyway and out the back of the plug to turn the part the plug interfaces with and open the lock without having to pick it. the thing on the bottom is an anti drill hardend plate.

by **DeeRav** » 22 Oct 2007 8:26

BrownLeopard wrote:...but I'd like to get one of these to toy with the security pins a bit. This Abus I have is giving me issues, and I'd like to toy with spools to see how they feel. This seems to give the best of both worlds!

You can get one from here for Â£1.75...

[url]https://www.in-excessdirect.co.uk/product_info.php?language=en&currency=GBP&products_id=165[\url]

The pick im using is a homemade one from a template. However I think I could do with asmaller one to give me a bit more room. Anyone got a good slimline/small pick template?

Oh and Raimundo, I checked, its not an American copy as far as I know....

by **xayandevorak** » 25 Oct 2007 10:25

Try using a thinnen hook pick, with a flat surface, the flat edge will allow you to feel more of what is going on even with the other pins in the way.

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