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Postby notme76 » 20 Feb 2008 12:28

im new to the picking game...made a few picks now short hook, small half diamond and just made a small rake..anyhow i've succesfully opened a masterlock no.2 with all picks and have been tryin and tryin to open a papaiz cr35... papaiz is from brazil but for some reason there very popular in this area of north america.. i can not get it to open i know im getting some if not most of the pins to the shear line but apparently theres still one or 2 not co operating...
any helpfull hints?
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Postby dougfarre » 20 Feb 2008 12:46

Try harder?
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Postby JackNco » 20 Feb 2008 12:51

dougfarre wrote:Try harder?


Come on now doug we can do better than that.

Post us some pics of your picks in case they are garbage. find us a link to the lock you are referring to. if you cant be bothered to do the leg work its pretty certain we wont either.

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Postby Safety0ff » 20 Feb 2008 13:01

Are there spools? Once you feel you've got all the pins to the shearline go back to each pin and if when you push lightly on them if the plug & tension wrench try to turn in the opposite direction of your tension. I just quickly googled it and one place claims "anti pick pins" but that can mean pretty much anything.

If you would mind posting a picture of the keyway it might help, I only found the body on google images.
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Postby dougfarre » 20 Feb 2008 13:27

Maybe your not setting the pins at the shear line. Maybe you are getting the pins stuck at the shear line. When a pin stack is picked, the lower pin should fall back down into the keyway, sometimes you can actually see over the top of the pin (there will be a gap between the top of the lower pin and the plug). If you can't see over the top of the pin, then you will just have to feel for spring tension on a pin. If there is no longer spring tension on the pin then it it most likely picked. A pin stack is NOT picked when the keyways is clear of pins. This means that when you look into the keyway then wont see any keypins as you have them all stuck up at the shear line. This is NOT what you want to do. Since you are new to the "lockpicking game" I am assuming this is what you are doing.

Also, what I tell pickers new pickers:
1) USER MORE TENSIONS ON THE TENSION WRENCH while..
2) APPLYING LESS SHEAR FORCE WITH THE PICK.
3) Hold the lock in your left hand, keyway facing down.
4) Use your index finger to apply tension to the tension wrench.
5) With padlocks, always use this method of applying clockwise tension.
6) If you are left handed, do the same thing in the left hand, use you thumb instead of your index finger.

Also, just because you can pick a master lock, doesn't mean your going to be able to pick anything else. Most master locks behave in ways that are alien or opposite to how I consider locks are suppose to operate. Sometimes i get such little feedback on a masterlock that after spending all day opening 7pin tumbler ABUS locks, I cant open a master number 2 if my life depended on it. Throw all your master locks away, and then post about how amazing your master lock was on their website:
http://www.masterlock.com/apps/testimonial/stories.jsp

You can say "My masterlock was so "*hitty and easy to pick, that i threw it away after one day!"

See if they post that in their stories page :)

If you don't open the lock after all that, then try harder.
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Postby notme76 » 20 Feb 2008 15:28

Safety0ff wrote:Are there spools? Once you feel you've got all the pins to the shearline go back to each pin and if when you push lightly on them if the plug & tension wrench try to turn in the opposite direction of your tension. I just quickly googled it and one place claims "anti pick pins" but that can mean pretty much anything.

If you would mind posting a picture of the keyway it might help, I only found the body on google images.


well ur gonna have to wait a day or so for that pic..i pulled out the digi cam i havnt used in ages and the bats are flat..but i'll try and get those pics up tomorow..thanks for the help though
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Postby Safety0ff » 20 Feb 2008 15:41

Your welcome.

No hurry, the pic of the keyway isn't too too important, more of a curiosity than anything else.
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Postby dougfarre » 20 Feb 2008 16:18

notme76 wrote:
Safety0ff wrote:Are there spools? Once you feel you've got all the pins to the shearline go back to each pin and if when you push lightly on them if the plug & tension wrench try to turn in the opposite direction of your tension. I just quickly googled it and one place claims "anti pick pins" but that can mean pretty much anything.

If you would mind posting a picture of the keyway it might help, I only found the body on google images.


well ur gonna have to wait a day or so for that pic..i pulled out the digi cam i havnt used in ages and the bats are flat..but i'll try and get those pics up tomorow..thanks for the help though


Thanks for replying to my post too.
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Postby Eyes_Only » 20 Feb 2008 21:47

Yeah those things have some sort of security pins in them. First time I tried to pick the one I got off eBay I was stumped. This is a simple yet very complicated little sucker to open.

After my initial humbling experience with it I had to stay away from it for a couple days to recover and then I finally got it open.

You'll have to play with the tension a little more than you would for a Schlage and push up on the pin stack with the security driver a tiny bit harder to get the sucker to set. Hope that helps a bit.
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Postby notme76 » 20 Feb 2008 22:21

Eyes_Only wrote:Yeah those things have some sort of security pins in them. First time I tried to pick the one I got off eBay I was stumped. This is a simple yet very complicated little sucker to open.

After my initial humbling experience with it I had to stay away from it for a couple days to recover and then I finally got it open.

You'll have to play with the tension a little more than you would for a Schlage and push up on the pin stack with the security driver a tiny bit harder to get the sucker to set. Hope that helps a bit.


dont really understand...security pins? is
there any pics of one of these opened up? i see your saying its a difficult lock but its quite common so really i should try to master it
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Postby dougfarre » 20 Feb 2008 22:55

notme76 wrote:
Eyes_Only wrote:Yeah those things have some sort of security pins in them. First time I tried to pick the one I got off eBay I was stumped. This is a simple yet very complicated little sucker to open.

After my initial humbling experience with it I had to stay away from it for a couple days to recover and then I finally got it open.

You'll have to play with the tension a little more than you would for a Schlage and push up on the pin stack with the security driver a tiny bit harder to get the sucker to set. Hope that helps a bit.


dont really understand...security pins? is
there any pics of one of these opened up? i see your saying its a difficult lock but its quite common so really i should try to master it


Again, my post is ignored.
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Postby notme76 » 20 Feb 2008 23:08

sorry doug

Also, what I tell pickers new pickers:
1) USER MORE TENSIONS ON THE TENSION WRENCH while..
2) APPLYING LESS SHEAR FORCE WITH THE PICK.
3) Hold the lock in your left hand, keyway facing down.
4) Use your index finger to apply tension to the tension wrench.
5) With padlocks, always use this method of applying clockwise tension.
6) If you are left handed, do the same thing in the left hand, use you thumb instead of your index finger

i did read it and actually that is the system i use to hold my lock seems to work well on the masterlock..but do you have no. 1 and 2 backwards? or am i getting it all wrong when im thinkin as little tension as possible?
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Postby dougfarre » 21 Feb 2008 0:25

:) Nope, 1 and 2 are not backwards. Try applying more tension on the tension wrench. See what happens.
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Postby Havoc » 21 Feb 2008 0:36

I had it in my head that I wanted to use the least amount of tension possible... maybe that's how I picked my Master No. 140 (Woot! ...had to share) for the first time ever. Got over aggressive with the tension wrench.

I'll try more tension and see what happens. :?

Thanks Doug! 8)
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Postby JackNco » 21 Feb 2008 4:31

it really does depend on the lock. some require light tension and ive bent tension wrenches before some move.
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