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Lockpicking TITAN K1

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby Bandit_b » 25 Apr 2008 13:41

I don't know how many of you guys picked this one, but I find it really hard to pick. I don't know is it because I'm not skilled enough or it's hard to pick. If someone has picked it, can you say if it was hard
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Postby CVScam » 25 Apr 2008 20:28

If it is the 6 pin version with spool pins it is a harder than a normal kwickset. The last one I owned had 2 spools so maybe you should try repining it with less pins or less spools.
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Postby Eyes_Only » 25 Apr 2008 22:13

Yeah they have spools. It's tricky but much easier than a Schlage cos of the sloppy tolerances.
If a lock is a puzzle, then its key is the complete picture
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Postby bumber » 25 Apr 2008 22:43

CVScam wrote:If it is the 6 pin version with spool pins it is a harder than a normal kwickset. The last one I owned had 2 spools so maybe you should try repining it with less pins or less spools.


all of the kwikset titans are 6 pin, although I cant say they all have spools though...I cant imagine they all do though :? (but probly :evil: )
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby _saiko » 14 Nov 2010 1:31

Hello
a newcommer here!

Anyways got a titan k1 (euro) cylinder with 5 pins where two (2, 4) are spools. Now since Im training I wanted to pick this one. After unsuccessfull venture I repinned it without any spools. Still no luck. It simply doesnt cooperate.
Did anyone manage to lockpick this one?
Advices? If I go with the single pin method, do I start from the back to front or the other way?

Thanks
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby Solomon » 14 Nov 2010 14:29

Saiko, locks will very rarely pick straight from front to back or vice versa... the binding order is completely random, so where you start is just a matter of preference. Personally I roll the pick from back to front to feel for binding, but you may find it easier to push each pin individually starting at the front.
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby _saiko » 14 Nov 2010 14:54

In this case I simply cannot accomplish anything by raking it, perhaps of the tight tolerances?

Guess i'll have to study that single pin picking...
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby Solomon » 14 Nov 2010 15:36

If I remember, Titan K locks are Croatian... the tolerances aren't very tight at all. If you can't rake it open it's either because the bitting is irregular, or you're just not doing it properly. In saying that, some locks are a pain to rake open even though they should be a piece of cake so who knows.

Anyway like I said, roll the pick gently and slowly from back to front and feel for binding... when you hit a binding pin it'll feel more solid than the rest, so get your pick right on the tip of that pin and push it slowly until it clicks into place.

Make sure to use as little tension as possible, you can use heavier tension to find the binding pin but you'll need to lighten it up for actually setting it otherwise you'll put unnecessary stress on the pick. Do this for each pin and get a feel for the lock, some will have nice clear binding and the pins will set crisply, others not so much... take your time and concentrate on each pin rather than just trying to get the lock open, soon enough you'll feel that satisfying pop as the last pin sets and the plug begins to turn. :)

Only other thing I can say is, if the lock suddenly turns a few degrees but doesn't open, then you're trapped in a false set - in which case, read up on picking spool pins and try again.

This is all easier said than done, but with enough practice you will get the hang of it.
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby illusion » 15 Nov 2010 7:33

_saiko wrote:In this case I simply cannot accomplish anything by raking it, perhaps of the tight tolerances?

Guess i'll have to study that single pin picking...


I've always found raking was all about the tension used - if I turn the wrench and start sawing with a constant amount of tension I struggle; however, if I rake twice, bounce the wrench up and down enough to vary the pressure but not upset the pins, then try rocking the rake like a ship rocking on the sea then bounce again, then try a different movement I find I have far more success.

I've always thought raking was great when it worked, however on many occasions it simply wasn't effective - The cool thing is that single pin picking is always there to be relied upon and with practice you'll find you have far more success than just raking. :)
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby femurat » 15 Nov 2010 9:22

Titan are made in Slovenija, but I bought mine in Hrvatska.
I think these are good locks to learn SPP with since tolerances are not bad, and they include a couple of spools. Try SPP and use very light tension.

Cheers :)
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby lockpickfan » 10 Jan 2011 12:03

I have a couple of Titan yet.

Titan K1 - short 3 pin version :
- no security pins
- low-high-middle pin leight combination, can't rake

Titan K1 - 5 pin version:
- 2 security pins
- can rake with a half diamond ( all of 3 locks)

Titan K5:
5 dimple pins with 5 passive pins, can't pick it yet, the lock profile is soo thin.
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby Cyberfox » 8 Feb 2011 22:49

I open several K1 TITAN lock.This is one of most used lock in my country.I open this locks mostly with snake rake and half diamond.But opening of this lock manually is complete waste of time,especially if you have "bad combinations(low,high pins).Manually opening in this situations result with so many false set.Electric pick is very efficient on this lock and I planing to upload video of opening K1 very soon.
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby andrej » 15 Feb 2011 5:44

Hi! Uh, my first post. I lurk a lot and have learned a ton but never had a chance to contribute before. But as this is a lock I am very familiar with I hope I can help. I was able to SPP three of them, but I think raking is more efficient. I just made bogota pick and though not perfect it will quickly false set and then you just have to identify spool pins (in k1 locks I picked there are always two, usually 2 and 4 position). For me the easiest and quickest is to use bogota to false set it and than just concentrate on those two spool pins which aren't difficult to overcome. I thought my co-worker who never picked a lock how to pick one in half an hour. Hope what I wrote makes sense and helps a little.
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby andrej » 15 Feb 2011 6:51

ups, seems its my second post. Don't have the option to edit :oops:
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Re: Lockpicking TITAN K1

Postby Cyberfox » 8 Apr 2011 4:38

Just how I say, this is a video of picking TITAN K1 with southord electro pick gun.This cylinder have large key hole and picking gun is very efficient and fast.
I lost key for this cylinder(this is my old house lock) but pin configuration is:
high,low,high,medium,medium(pin 2 and 4 a security pins).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco5JfeKGq0
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