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An unusual quality of some locks ("Frozen" pinstac

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An unusual quality of some locks ("Frozen" pinstac

Postby Benny_Blanco » 1 May 2008 13:25

I just wanted to put this out there for anyone who's had this experience and doesn't get what's happening. It frusterated me for a long time. And I was just reminded of it by a lock I recently bought which has Two(!) pins like this.

When I first started picking, I often encountered a problem with locks that baffled me. I would lift some of the pins to shear and then encounter a pinstack that wouldn't budge. It was obviously not set or even disturbed. But When I put my hook underneath it and tried to lift, it felt like my pick would bend before I got the stack to move. So I reasoned that my tension was too great, and backed off considerably. Sometimes this worked, and other times it was not sufficient.

I dropped the picking for several years, and when I came back to it, I started taking my locks apart. That was how I discovered what was behind this "frozen pinstack" phenomenon. If the key is cut extremely high (in certain lock brands), then the bottom pin for that stack will be so small that it will allow the top pin to fall completely inside of the plug (with only the spring grazing the surface). After you break a few other pins , the ledge becomes so severe that the top pin of the stack in question can no longer enter the shell. So you have both pins stuck in the plug. And depending on the specifics of the lock, a light enough tension to get it past may just reset all of the other pins (although it's usually the solution).

In some cases where a lighter tension isn't the solution, it's solves the problem to lift that stack very slightly into the shell and then apply tension to hold the top pin there as a preliminary to picking the lock.

Cheers :wink:
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Postby mr_chris79 » 1 May 2008 14:45

Hi Benny welcome to the forum,thats a great tip for us newbies out here thanks very much!!
if everyone who tried something new liked it but didnt bother telling anyone else there would never be anything new to try...
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Postby freakparade3 » 1 May 2008 14:51

This is not a problem I have ever run into. If the lock is properly pinned, with longer drivers to compensate for short keypins, it won't happen.

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Postby mh » 1 May 2008 15:29

The full pin stack inside the plug wouldn't stop it from turning. Just make sure you don't turn it too far, so the spring will not be destroyed.

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Postby MacGyver101 » 1 May 2008 16:55

That's a good tip to pass along!

I have a factory-pinned Yale KIK cylinder that has exactly that problem on the last pinstack: I've accidentally mangled the spring a couple of times in that lock while playing with it. :oops: (I should really replace the driver...)
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