American 1105 disassembling problem

[criminalhate]

For furture reference on the american lock website they have pdf's diagramming the different keyways, dissassembly procedures, parts lists. That poor lock.

That only works when you have a key or can pick it. Although I would never have drilled the lock myself the way he did it saved the cylinder which is what he wanted. So in my opinion he did what he needed to do.

[ToolyMcgee]

The body of the padlock is murdered and the cylinder is still locked. It still has to be picked to be repinned and this didn't really help him do that, did it?

[criminalhate]

The body of the padlock is murdered and the cylinder is still locked. It still has to be picked to be repinned and this didn't really help him do that, did it?

yes the cylinder is locked but now he can shim it to rekey it, or he can pull the pins. neither were possible while the cylinder was in the lock.

[andrew_canada]

OH my GOD!
You guys are still writing something here! I found that lock, no key, i wasnt gonna use it anyway, all i wanted was the cylinder to stay safe...
Thanks for all your help but this post had to be closed loooong time ago...

[hydruh]

EHey, it's a discussion foorum. We discuss.

S

[Gordon Airporte]

yes the cylinder is locked but now he can shim it to rekey it, or he can pull the pins. neither were possible while the cylinder was in the lock.

Here's a recent post about shimming cylinders open:
viewtopic.php?p=305607#305607

[ToolyMcgee]

yes the cylinder is locked but now he can shim it to rekey it, or he can pull the pins. neither were possible while the cylinder was in the lock.[/quote]

I cannot believe I am posting again, but shimming is still picking. You cannot pull the pins on this cylinder without more cutting, then you would have to replace springs and make a plate for the top. I get that he wanted the cylinder intact so he could repin it for practice. My only point was destroying a 15+ dollar padlock body to save a less than 5 dollars cylinder seems backward.

[Gordon Airporte]

I cannot believe I am posting again, but shimming is still picking. You cannot pull the pins on this cylinder without more cutting, then you would have to replace springs and make a plate for the top. I get that he wanted the cylinder intact so he could repin it for practice. My only point was destroying a 15+ dollar padlock body to save a less than 5 dollars cylinder seems backward.

Um, you just take a c-clip off the back of the cylinder then shim it while lifting each pin as the shim reaches it. Once it's shimmed you push the plug out with a dowel. The bottom pins are in the plug and the top pins and springs are up in the shell. When you pull the dowel out they pop out perfectly intact. No more cutting necessary.
The serrated pins in American cylinders makes them slightly more tricky to shim, but it's still perfectly do-able.

[ToolyMcgee]

Yes, I know how to shim a lock and take it apart. If you wanted to simply "pull the pins" however, you would have to cut the lock and probably the springs since of course there isn't the handy cover on top to remove as I already mentioned. Thank you though Gordon for answering a question I didn't ask.

[criminalhate]

Yes, I know how to shim a lock and take it apart. If you wanted to simply "pull the pins" however, you would have to cut the lock and probably the springs since of course there isn't the handy cover on top to remove as I already mentioned. Thank you though Gordon for answering a question I didn't ask.

You may not have asked it but your post sounded like your weren't sure on how to shim since shimming is not picking and you can use a blank key to do it.....

I have noticed that your posts where full of a lot of unnecessary attitude or at least thats how they sound to me. I may be reading a little to much into them If I am I apologies. If I'm not then there is really no need for posting like that.

[Gordon Airporte]

Yes, I know how to shim a lock and take it apart. If you wanted to simply "pull the pins" however, you would have to cut the lock and probably the springs since of course there isn't the handy cover on top to remove as I already mentioned. Thank you though Gordon for answering a question I didn't ask.

Aha! I see now. Around here there are at least a couple different kinds of "shimming" we talk about. Apparently the only kind you're familiar with is shimming between the shackle and the locking dog of a padlock to get it open.

The kind I'm talking about is described here:
viewtopic.php?t=37071

See, you learn something new every day.

(And chances are the American lock this thread is about uses a ball locking mechanism and couldn't be shimmed open in the first sense anyway.)

[ToolyMcgee]

Misunderstood yet again... I am talking about shimming from the back of the cylinder and bisecting pins at the shear line. Not bypassing the lock at the shackle. I own several different types of American Padlocks, and they are all double locked at the heel and toe by ball bearings. So, I havn't really learned anything new today about locks... You are messing with me, right?