Masterkeying Lessons

[tacedeous]

ok i had to read that more times than care to mention... but now i understand... thank you very much for the explanation.. it does break one of FB's "masterkeying rules" about having the same depth and space on a master and a change, but as i read this thread im seeing that FB's masterkeying method is not just the only one, it may not be the best... what do you guys think...?

[WOT]

Schlage has a macs of 7 actually. Just so you know as it may help you along the way .

I hear the LAB pins don't exactly duplicate the profile of OE pins.
Schlage pins are designed for 100deg/0.034" root depth ducts

Would it be possible that MACS using OEM pins and keys cut to fatory specs is 7, but using lab pins and using anything other than a punch to make keys, it is 6?

[tacedeous]

yea i have often wondered about how "universal" univeral pin kits are...

but yet another question about masterkeying...
what are the "universal" increments on pin sizes does one find in, lets say the "smart wedge" ?

[globallockytoo]

Universal pinning kits are nothing more than kits that offer (sometimes) 0.002" between each depth. Usually the diameter of the pins are almost all the same (different brands). Factory pin kits used in locks, generally make those brands easier to bump/pick and impression.

Smart Wedge?

[tacedeous]

ok that makes sense.. " swartwedge" is a universal pin kit, but its just another pinkit, orginized to take up less bench space.. anyways.... so im going to assume that all pins are the same diameter?

[lunchb0x]

With the rotating and constant method I think I remember correctly how to do the chart to get your key codes, but how do you work out which codes are going to create phantom keys?

[globallockytoo]

With the rotating and constant method I think I remember correctly how to do the chart to get your key codes, but how do you work out which codes are going to create phantom keys?

This is the fun part....and what separates the smart lockies from the dummies!

[lunchb0x]

With the rotating and constant method I think I remember correctly how to do the chart to get your key codes, but how do you work out which codes are going to create phantom keys?

This is the fun part....and what separates the smart lockies from the dummies!

So you don't remember then

how I remember it is you randomly select your codes to decrease the chances so picking cuts that will create phantoms.

[globallockytoo]

I definitely remember....had to do a multi-level system just the other day...on the fly.

PM5 is loaded on the puter at home...but I was on the job...and the client wanted it done there and then.

GMK, 2 x SMK and 7 codes under each master for a 5 pin SC1 system.

Took about 45 minutes to work it all out freehand.

[lunchb0x]

I don't remember that much of it, didn't really have to use it at work because all the master key systems had to be done on the computer and there where only a couple of people that were allowed to do them.

[tacedeous]

soo... how do you do it?

[lunchb0x]

hey global, I have started to write a guide which so far I think is correct, do you feel like checking it for me :) maybe even add a bit about working out phantom keys.

Also I haven't noticed if anyone has mentioned the 3 away method which you wont get phantoms with, so you can use all codes that a generated but you will come up with a lot less than doing to 2 away (rotation constant) method.

[tacedeous]

so glad to see a thread revived... cant wait for your tutorial... as a lurker coming out of the shadows, im so happy to see this renewed enregy directed into the right manifistation

[globallockytoo]

hey global, I have started to write a guide which so far I think is correct, do you feel like checking it for me :) maybe even add a bit about working out phantom keys.

Also I haven't noticed if anyone has mentioned the 3 away method which you wont get phantoms with, so you can use all codes that a generated but you will come up with a lot less than doing to 2 away (rotation constant) method.

happy to look at your work so far....pm me!

[globallockytoo]

soo... how do you do it?

Not sure of it appropriate to go into the details in the non-advanced forum. Sorry.

Some things require some sanctity.