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The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

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The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby Engineer » 14 Jan 2009 20:41

A friend has loaned me a lock he got from eBay. Although I do not think they are being sold over there, the box has this address on it where they are still apparently for sale:

http://www.learnlockpicking.com/

I have to say after playing around with this one it is without doubt the best aid to learning picking I've come across. I REALLY wish I'd had one of these when I started out, it would have saved me so much time and work. I should also point out that I have nothing to do with the company (individual?) making these, I was just loaned one to play with!

The first picture is of what you get for your $37.50
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff34 ... uper01.jpg

Please note that I have altered the picture of the key, since it is not my lock...

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff34 ... uper02.jpg

The lock has been drilled out and threaded. Nylon grub screws hold the springs and pins in place. I like the idea that as you set the lock up for different picking challenges, you also learn a lot about repinning locks, almost by accident.

The inclusion of an Allen key (wrench) is welcome, as not everyone will have one, or the right size handy. Personally I would have liked to see a few more pins enclosed and possibly a "super set" which includes a repinning tray. I suspect a lot of people will loose pins fairly quickly from the kit as they are very smooth and fiddley and are also non-magnetic, so don't go relying on one of those old disk drive magnets to find any dropped pins. Just remember to only tighten the nylon grub screws VERY slightly, just enough to hold, otherwise you will strip the threads from them (there are some spares included though).

There are enough spool pins to fill each one with a spool. This gave me the chance to try a lock with a spool pin in positions 1,3,4 & 6. No other pins, just pick these four. It is remarkable how clearly you can feel the differences in the spools when they are isolated like this. The front one is the easiest to pick and it gets progressively harder as you move further into the lock.

Another pleasant suprise for me, was the quality of the adaptions made to the lock. They were done very professionally, infact, the adaptations felt as though they were to greater tolerances than the original lock itself was.

If you are just beginning picking - Or possibly learning to repin locks, then the inclusion of the small "discs" is another nice touch, as they are used for making locks that can be opened by their own key, or a masterkey.

So many pickers find picking a lock inhand feels completely different, that I would make a small mounting board for this lock as well, so I could get a feel for it in a "door", not just inhand.

This is just crying out for the addition of more types of security pins and I hope either the original maker of the lock will make them available, or someone else will. Spools are a great way to learn anti-picking pins, but the variations all feel a little different.

Even so, I think this is a great little practise lock and the best I've come across so far. Even the price seems reasonable compaired to others I've seen.
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby Olson Burry » 14 Jan 2009 21:16

I like that. A lot. I agree the inclusion of different types of security pins would be a good thing but the fact included are some disks for master keying is great. Picking master keyed locks can bring about problems which are avoidable but better for someone to learn on a lock they can take apart and shake the disks out of.

There seems to be enough top and bottom pins there to keep one going.

The only issue I've had when repinning my own locks (apart from it being fiddly and time consuming without those grub screws at the top) is that often the binding order doesn't seem to change much, perhaps that is just because I'm swapping the order of the bottom and top pins instead of changing them completely but if you're exploiting tolerances in the lock, rather than the pins being of different diameter (although even this may not be consistent) wouldn't this usually be the case that the binding order wouldn't change much?

The other thing I just thought of is that whenever I repin a lock, I always know where I put the security pins ahead of time because I'm the only one here that can do it without giving someone who probably couldn't care less what a plug follower is a lesson. With this you could give driver pins to anyone and have them popped randomly in the top.

Nice find, it looks like something one could make with a few tools and steady hand, getting hold of the extra security pins is the main problem I think.

Cheers Engineer :) I too would have loved to have something like that starting out.
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby barbarian » 14 Jan 2009 21:19

Looks pretty.

I wish I had found that a while ago....
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby mr_chris79 » 14 Jan 2009 21:46

I really wish id found these just a couple of months ago when i could have afforded one, now unfortunately im unemployed but im getting one as soon as i get a job! Looks like a great bit of kit to me!
if everyone who tried something new liked it but didnt bother telling anyone else there would never be anything new to try...
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby straightpick » 14 Jan 2009 22:39

This gives me some ideas, I could make up a kit like this with some added improvements like a follower for repinning, a piece of ribbed matting to put the pins on so that they wouldn't be lost easily, extra keys, different keyways (open and easy, narrow and restrictive, etc.) and possibly a small stand. Didn't know there would be a demand for something like this. Looks like a weekend project ahead! How many people would be interested in something like this?
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby mr_chris79 » 14 Jan 2009 22:47

straightpick wrote:This gives me some ideas, I could make up a kit like this with some added improvements like a follower for repinning, a piece of ribbed matting to put the pins on so that they wouldn't be lost easily, extra keys, different keyways (open and easy, narrow and restrictive, etc.) and possibly a small stand. Didn't know there would be a demand for something like this. Looks like a weekend project ahead! How many people would be interested in something like this?


im interested! all depends on the price to the UK! oh and some nice pics if you do make some kits up :wink:
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby datagram » 15 Jan 2009 0:12

Olson Burry wrote:The only issue I've had when repinning my own locks (apart from it being fiddly and time consuming without those grub screws at the top) is that often the binding order doesn't seem to change much, perhaps that is just because I'm swapping the order of the bottom and top pins instead of changing them completely but if you're exploiting tolerances in the lock, rather than the pins being of different diameter (although even this may not be consistent) wouldn't this usually be the case that the binding order wouldn't change much?


The pin diameter contribues to binding while picking, as do many other factors. The issue isn't that it doesn't count, but that chamber alignment normally has a much greater effect on binding order than other factors. All in all, it really depends on the specific lock and pins you are using (level of wear, etc) but you can usually expect things to change with different pins or a different lock.

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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby MacGnG1 » 15 Jan 2009 19:26

this has been posted before, i had considered getting one but 40 bucks is a bit much when i can just take my kwikset deadbolt apart and repin it with some spool pins. how ever if it was much cheaper i would definitely buy it!
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby Engineer » 15 Jan 2009 19:43

I never saw it on here, I must have missed it - I don't suppose you have the link to it do you?

MacGnG1 wrote:this has been posted before, i had considered getting one but 40 bucks is a bit much when i can just take my kwikset deadbolt apart and repin it with some spool pins. how ever if it was much cheaper i would definitely buy it!
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby Zheol » 15 Jan 2009 23:32

i posted it a couple weeks ago ^^
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby Engineer » 16 Jan 2009 8:59

Yep, I just found it in your past posts. I thought MacGnG1 meant it had been reviewed or something though? I thought I'd not seen any pictures or reviews or anything like that about it, but then this is such a big site, that it is easy to miss.

To answer your OP then, I'd say you can order it if you like. The lock I saw was reasonable quality and the adaptations were very well done (at least on the one I was loaned they were). Being able to set the lock to your own level of picking and to be able to experiment with things like alternate high and low pins without having to remove the core each time, make it really good to learn on I found.

Still, I guess it comes down to a personal thing.

Zheol wrote:i posted it a couple weeks ago ^^
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby subver » 26 Jun 2009 8:02

awesome! I think I am going to buy this today, well actually, there is "The Ultimate CHALLENGE Practice Lock" which is only $5 more and contains spool pins.
I was just looking for a cutaway practice cylinder, but for the SAME price I could buy this. It's not cutaway, but I really don't need that, I jsut thought it looked kinda cool :lol:

This challenge practice lock looks perfect! I've been looking for a practice lock, and looking at repinning kits (but they are so expensive!) - this is like a little mini kit all in one.
I'm so excited, I get paid today and I'm gonna order this right away.
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby subver » 26 Jun 2009 8:04

oh, and for $6.50 you can get a security pin upgrade kit, containing about 50 security pins/springs and retainer screws.
Very nice site, thanks!
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby subver » 26 Jun 2009 8:11

has anyone ordered from there, anyway? Just wondering how long it takes to ship, there doesn't seem to be any shipping options (how do they ship?)
Are there any better kits out there similar to this? I really like the easy repinning factor, along with all the pins/spools that come with it, and really, it's not that expensive, but if there is something better out there let me know :)
Thanks!
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Re: The best lock I've come across to learn picking from

Postby LocksmithArmy » 26 Jun 2009 17:35

i still have to say learn on what your gonna be opening. if your in a specific environment youll only get a specific kind of call.

for example where i am the only thing ill ever open is a couple expensive masters and a million american 5200. so i practice on the 5200.. makes sence right.

but i can c the need for someone that dosent know what they will need to pick or just picks for fun. very cool tho
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