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hpc 1200 punch machine

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hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby thelockoutguys » 13 Mar 2009 0:07

Saw a post one here where someone didnt like the 1200 punch...im looking at get a new one in a couple days??? it is in my price range....what are the cons or what is wrong with this machine??? Thasnks for the info
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby locfoc » 13 Mar 2009 3:57

I've used every version of the 1200, from the hand punch, to the electronic cutter, even their hand held clip cutter for auto. Never had a problem, I mean you are a locksmith right? keep your file handy to make adjustments if needed but from my experience they work good for a solid life, just keep them aligned.

I personally will never part with my ITL-950-MC. It's the best code cutter ever. I use one in my van, every locksmith I know has one in his van and shop. It's a big deal around here.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18329&p=323258&hilit=ITL+950#p323258

Zeke seems to agree with me.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby thelockoutguys » 20 Mar 2009 23:41

Thansk for the info..im passing on the punch and getting the 1200blitz. used but good deal..Gonna need to find some cards and manual for adjustments..No more curtis clippers..Thought i saw some where a program on cd to print the cards out???
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby MarkC » 21 Mar 2009 10:44

I have both the Punch and Blitz -- if I had to choose one it would certainly be the Blitz. HPC's CardWare or Codesource Plus software can print the cards. I think Blackhawk Products also makes software that can do this. The other option is talking to your supplier and special ordering the cards from HPC.

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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby thelockoutguys » 28 Mar 2009 2:59

Yeah...looked at supplier but at $25 a pop gonna be a little exspensive..but ill piece them together. it also has standard cutter with it but looks like i might need the 90 degree also? cw-14mc? Thanks Mark
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby Safecrackin Sammy » 28 Mar 2009 8:40

The CW14MC is the standard cutter for most full size cylinders so you'll need that for sure. 1011 for desk/file work.

I prefer the Blackhawk since its on line and always updated. You can print cards for a specific code as needed or use the micrometer card and the info to cut.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby MarkC » 28 Mar 2009 11:00

The CW-14MC should do you just fine. I wouldn't worry about ordering other cutters unless you know for certain you will need them.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby Eyes_Only » 29 Mar 2009 12:01

The Punch is a great backup machine in case your motor driven milling code machine breaks down on you or when you need something portable yet versatile. But the Blitz milling machine is still a better choice if you plan on doing a lot of code cutting work and need something super accurate and convenient. The Blitz is also better when using the Determinator tools IMO.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby zeke79 » 30 Mar 2009 0:49

It will run in the neighborhood of $500 to get a full set of cards for the blitz if you order them through HPC or HLFlake etc. That does not include the binder or sleeves for storage. Pricey for sure. One thing you might look into if you must have the individual cards would be to price them from Ilco as the cards for their version of the blitz are the same as HPC's if I recall correctly. If you want to start using the machine on the cheap then I would recommend getting the two micrometer cards and picking up Framon's space and depth book. It is the most comprehensive manual in print (that I am aware of) at roughly 380 pages of info. The manual will run you around $80 in a nice binder and the two micrometer cards at HPC's prices will run you another $30-$50 for the pair. The only limitation you may have with this setup is if you are cutting best sfic. It will be easier to cut best if you bought the actual cards as they will be more accurate than cutting by the micrometer cards due to the way the micrometer cards are divided. You have to do some guess work at times with the micrometer cards which is fine in most cases but due to the tolerances of best, being off a couple thousandths can cause problems.

As for cutters, you will need the CW-14MC for most work as stated and the 1011 as stated for file cabinets, desks, master padlocks etc. The cutting wheels are reasonable to buy. The punch however can get very expensive to buy new die/punch assemblies once they are worn out. The punch is also limited in some areas on the blanks it can cut. Blanks for some paracentric keyways cannot be punched. Hopefully someone with alot of experience with the HPC punch will chime in and give you an idea of the limitations of the machine.

As stated, for code machines, I prefer the ITL950 series of machines for several reasons. The first of which is the fact that one cutting wheel takes care of everything as the machines computer control emulates all flats. This saves you from spending over a hundred dollars for each cutting wheel you might need for the blitz. If you take into account having to maintain the two main cutters for the blitz, then say you need an assa wheel, a medeco wheel, and a sargent wheel then you realize that you have about six hundred dollars of cutting wheels to maintain. Compare this to the one wheel you have to maintain on the ITL. This solves the issue of cutting wheel tolerances that can be a few thousandths that you have to remember on the blitz when you switch from the cutter you are calibrated for to another. Another great thing about the ITL950CM is the built in auto codes. Just peck in the indirect code, select the correct vehicle model and cut which is handy along with the ability to do half cuts which is perfect for use with determinators. The blitz is a good machine however there are just a few things you can get spoiled on with the ITLs, the speed of the machine and built in masterkeying capability if you decide to use it are just a couple of the other nice features.

If you have picked up a blitz already then you can try what I stated above. I personally do not like printing cards out from software as the paper is thin and they seem to just be a pain to deal with. One might be able to have them laminated and make a decent card that way but that will get expensive fairly quick. Buying a set is expensive but they last forever. I have cards that are honestly twenty years old and despite being dirty they are in perfect working order. The machines themselves last a long time too as long as they do not take a fall or something like that. The blitz is not as durable as the framon #2's but the blitz is faster than the framon. I think it is safe to say that the blitz is just as durable, if not more durable than the ITL950 series machines. I cannot say for sure as neither or my machines have been through a fall to test this theory.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby thelockoutguys » 31 Mar 2009 23:15

Thanks for the great info...And i did get the 1200. looking for info on calibration..Or should i just send it in...Id prefer to do it my self if i can.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby jimb » 1 Apr 2009 5:35

thelockoutguys wrote:Thanks for the great info...And i did get the 1200. looking for info on calibration..Or should i just send it in...Id prefer to do it my self if i can.


You didn't say which 1200, but you can find the manual on the HPC Site. The manuals will tell you what adjustments you can make and the adjustments that they recommended should be make at the factory.

Punch Manual
http://www.hpcworld.com/KeyMachines/pchman.htm

Blitz Manual
http://www.hpcworld.com/KeyMachines/bman.htm
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby zeke79 » 1 Apr 2009 19:46

You can easily calibrate it yourself. It is easier if you have hpc's calibration kit but it can be done without it if you take your time. Just be sure when setting the spacing you set it with a tip stopped key. Then check your spacing again with a shoulder stopped key. If you are off on a shoulder stopped key and perfect on a tip stopped key then make changes to the shoulder stop so it is cutting the spacing properly on a shoulder stopped key. This way it is set for both tip stopped and shoulder stopped keys.
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby Eyes_Only » 2 Apr 2009 13:02

Anyone have any positive or negative experiences with this code card software? National Locksmith sells it, http://www.whsoftware.com/CK/CK_Home.php
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby thelockoutguys » 3 Apr 2009 1:03

Eyes_Only wrote:Anyone have any positive or negative experiences with this code card software? National Locksmith sells it, http://www.whsoftware.com/CK/CK_Home.php


Hpc also makes cardware...same thing pretty much
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Re: hpc 1200 punch machine

Postby Eyes_Only » 3 Apr 2009 9:25

I know I might sound a little vain but the cards printed off of HPC software is ugly. And I've had accuracy issues with a lot of the ones I printed off of CodeSource at work so I want to try something new.
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