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Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby LockNewbie21 » 17 Aug 2009 11:53

Alright, well as you know I enjoy making pick's. So I figured, it's time to design something new. Also I'm happy to announce Jgor, and longhorn lockpicking will be testing the prototype. I couldn't ask for a better group of people either. :)


So ofcourse I opted to go with a feeler deisgn becausenot enough time went into comercial ones to make them efficiant.

So enter the the LN21 Hybrid.

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Okay so let's break it down.

1. I wanted the benifit's of an offset, since there reaching abilities are great, even in difficult pining's.

2. I needed a more sleek design not for looks, but so the tool's entry and exit of the lock is more smooth as to not get jammed and picks tend to do.

3. Finger notch in the tang because you need to be able to control and feel the feedback... with the comfort of having a handel. :wink:

4. Most important for control, the tip is notched so you can focus on each pin, sidebar pin, ect. with out slipping.




Most important I like to keep it simple, alot of thought went into it, but still to me it's a simple design. Sort of like a video game controler's design if you will, like Playstaion's. Alot of thought went into it's design and fitment in your hand. But it's genious is you pick up the control, and it just fit's and works, the thinking has been done for you.


Keep pickin',

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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby peejay52 » 19 Aug 2009 13:17

excellent work mate...when you say the tip is notched, can you do a close up??? not exactly sure what you mean
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby ToolyMcgee » 19 Aug 2009 17:04

Would you look at that... it's a reach pick without that stress point where they love to bend. Looks like it would be great over, or underhand grip too. You've got to be able to touch the metal, and that's something that gives me discomfort on the peterson too often, especially in a pencil grip. For what it's worth, I'd say you nailed it.
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby raimundo » 21 Aug 2009 7:19

its the spawn of a reach pick that got freaky with a falle curve pick :) and got newbie handles.
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby LockNewbie21 » 21 Aug 2009 11:06

raimundo wrote:its the spawn of a reach pick that got freaky with a falle curve pick :) and got newbie handles.



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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby tballard » 23 Aug 2009 14:05

Friday night jgor dropped by my house with a bag full of Euro locks and a few new toys, including this little beauty. We sat around picking for close to 5 hours. Good times.

I'm at a slight disadvantage comparing this latest picks to your earlier designs because I don't personally own any. (Something I am now tempted to correct)

Often the best tools are "specialists", and this hybrid pick is no exception. The long, thin tang provides exceptional feedback and reach, without ever feeling too yielding. The finger notch cutout is thin enough to also a second zone of flexibility, which over time I discovered was tunable by changing the position of my grip. Very nice indeed.

I picked a selection of my own low-to-mid grade US locks which I was very familiar with since I figured I knew them, and knew what their quirks are. I was able to successfully open them all. On some locks, such as American 1105's and Schlage F keyways, this pick performs exceptionally. On other locks with shorter, smaller keyways, such as Master #140's and Abus 28/70 "Buffo", it perform adequately, but the flexibility becomes a bit difficult to manage because so much of the tang is floating in space. I don't view this as a failure of the pick, but rather a case of using the wrong tool for the job.

I also attempted to pick a selection of Euro cylinders which jgor brought. This was the first time I've tried Euros, and these (I hope) were a fairly hard lot. (Mostly SKG ** and a few ***)

I have a new respect for Euro locks. I failed horribly on pretty much every one of them I tried, but this is entirely due to the user, not the tool. :lol: The wardings on these locks were, in a word, insane. Pretty much none of our standard tools fit, and I ended up grinding out a quick-and-dirty "micro" wrench just to get some sort of grip. The LN21 Hybrid was one of the few picks I was able to navigate around the inside of them, and it produced much easier pin-sets than other tools. I think this is due to both the thinness of the pick and the notched tip.

There are a few things which aren't negatives, but should be kept in mind:

  • I find the handle too short to be optimal for the (admittedly non-standard) overhand grip I prefer. I doubt this will be an issue for 90% of users, but in a perfect world, I'd like to see another 3/4" to 1" in length in the handle.
  • The notched tip does provide nice tactile feedback finding the bottoms of pins; however, I have to wonder how rough it is on the pins when locks are picked repeatedly. If you are a locksmith, I don't see this as a problem, but a hobbyist might.
  • The thinness of the tang obviously makes this a delicate pick. I had no concern of that ever being a problem for me, but I would never lend it to someone learning to pick. (Again, not a negative, but this is not a beginner's tool)
  • I'd like to see a tiny bit more curve in the tip of the pick. Setting an extreme low-high-low bitting was a little hard on the one or two locks I tried which I knew well enough to have a feel for that. Additionally, there were some of the really nasty warded Euros where I felt I couldn't get the rotational angle of the pick right becase the curve was hitting the wards. (I can't prove this. My lack of Euro skills could be the entire

In short, this is an excellent specialist pick. It's only "weakness" in my opinion are where tradeoff's were made between being a decent general pick, and an excellent specialist pick, and frankly, I'm happier with it being an excellent specialist.
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby raimundo » 24 Aug 2009 8:08

Did JGOR show you the monserate rake?
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby tballard » 24 Aug 2009 8:35

raimundo wrote:Did JGOR show you the monserate rake?
Did JGOR show you the monserate rake?

He did, and we played with it at length as well. I was planning on giving you feedback via PM though. (Nothing bad, just didn't want to derail LN21's thread :lol: )
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby Schuyler » 24 Aug 2009 11:07

Rai, I've had a good time with it as well, going to give it a better test run this weekend at our toool meeting. Been talking with Matt about it a bit, will contribute a write up after the weekend. Someone should start a thread for it.
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby raimundo » 24 Aug 2009 11:19

Dont worry about LN21's thread, He'll be making his version when he gets around to it. :D
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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby LockNewbie21 » 8 Sep 2009 15:33

Beta testing is done, my new hybrid is now avaiable.


Thanks again Longhorn Lockpicking for the testing! :)

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Re: Opinion's on my newest LockNewbie21 Hook.

Postby LockNewbie21 » 8 Sep 2009 15:41

I have made a thread for anyone interested in a custom set. :)

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=45986


Thanks again,


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