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Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby wolfhunter » 14 Nov 2009 13:45

Is there really a electronic lock pick that automatically picks the lock?
I have three friends (that dont even know each other) tell me that there is a lock pick that is electronic and it sends an electronic shock into the lock and it opens it ---and the other pick i was told about --the end of the pick melted in to the lock and then makes you a temp key...

is this true...they said that you can find them on ebay and also they said that you can get them at gun shows.

PLEASE HELP!!
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby LocksmithArmy » 14 Nov 2009 14:05

there are electric lockpicks, that aare the same as a manual pick gun just faster...

there is a tool made by the same people that make the sputnik that does somthing like what you mention, but I dont think its quite like you are thinking

and the easyentry will mill blank keys just from the keyway, but again I dont think its quite like you are thinking...

and no you wont get ether of these on ebay...

gun shows are doubtful
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Solomon » 15 Nov 2009 1:49

wolfhunter wrote:Is there really a electronic lock pick that automatically picks the lock?
I have three friends (that dont even know each other) tell me that there is a lock pick that is electronic and it sends an electronic shock into the lock and it opens it ---and the other pick i was told about --the end of the pick melted in to the lock and then makes you a temp key...

is this true...they said that you can find them on ebay and also they said that you can get them at gun shows.

PLEASE HELP!!


An EPG (electric pick gun) doesn't send an electric shock into the lock. They work by vibrating a needle-type pick head which bounces the pins up and down randomly inside their chambers until they align correctly at the shear line. This is along the same lines as raking a lock, only it is much faster... in theory, anyway. It's impossible for any kind of electric shock to achieve this kind of movement inside the lock, and there is no single tool you can just insert and flick a switch to open it. Any method of picking requires tension to be applied; an EPG is no exception... even if this weren't the case, there is no actual electrical energy involved other than the power used to vibrate the needle. As for it being automatic, far from it! Like I said, you need to manually apply tension to the plug just like any other technique and a lot of the time they take just as long as regular tools. They just make it a little easier on the hands when dealing with locks which have super high tolerances.

Judging by what they're telling you, it's pretty safe to say that your friends have watched one too many spy movies and are citing their own assumptions about how the tools work as actual fact. The way they're depicted in movies is completely inaccurate, as there is no tension tool and they never even turn the plug to throw the latch. Typically, they insert the tool and it makes a buzzing noise, then you hear a latch being thrown, and the door just opens. A lot of people assume this is what picking is really like, and some will try to explain how it works in order to sound smart - which is funny as hell since they're usually miles off. Didn't anyone ever tell them not to believe everything they see in movies? :mrgreen:

The second thing you mentioned is physically impossible, I'm not even gonna start to try and explain why. Just look up some stuff on how a lock works, how it opens with the right key and how picking is possible. Once you understand that stuff you'll see that there is no way something can just melt in there and align everything properly. I have no idea where your friends got that idea, but I'll add that to my list of hilarious misconceptions and ideas people have about picking. :lol:

Yes, you can purchase lockpicking stuff at gun shows but you'll very rarely see an EPG. You'd be more likely to find those kind of tools at locksmith conventions, or certain places online. And when I say online, I don't mean ebay. Ebay has strict policies regarding locksmithing tools which can be used to open or bypass locks. The only locksmith related items you'll find on ebay is stuff like files, pinning kits, and other general tools. Again, your friends are completely clueless and are trying to sound like they know it all. :)
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby ElbowMacaroni » 15 Nov 2009 4:19

The simplest way to put it is your friends are blowing smoke up your kilt...
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby wolfhunter » 18 Nov 2009 13:30

he said that you can get them at a gun show...so i called the gun show and asked them if they sell them and they said that they do....but thats all she knew...the guy that i talked to said that he didn't know how that it picked it...he just knows that they sell them...If they do sell them how could a tool like that really work...doesn't really seem possible but he also said that two cops were telling him about this tool...so i dont know who to believe anymore...
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby wolfhunter » 18 Nov 2009 13:35

there are electric lockpicks, that aare the same as a manual pick gun just faster...

there is a tool made by the same people that make the sputnik that does somthing like what you mention, but I dont think its quite like you are thinking

and the easyentry will mill blank keys just from the keyway, but again I dont think its quite like you are thinking...

and no you wont get ether of these on ebay...

gun shows are doubtful
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where can i get this "easyentry" tool or the "sputnik" and what is the "sputnik" ?????

Thanks for your help!
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby LocksmithArmy » 18 Nov 2009 14:19

as far as I know the easy entrie is only sold to Gov agencies and law officials

The sputnik can be got from mul t pick dot com but it is VERY expensive
the sputnik picks and decodes normal pin tumblers... its kinda cool
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Solomon » 18 Nov 2009 16:17

LocksmithArmy wrote:as far as I know the easy entrie is only sold to Gov agencies and law officials

The sputnik can be got from mul t pick dot com but it is VERY expensive
the sputnik picks and decodes normal pin tumblers... its kinda cool

Yeah, and for good reason. You don't need one of these and you're never gonna get your hands on one. As for the sputnik, that thing is a seriously cool piece of kit. Seems a bit tricky to use though, and for a civvie to buy one it'll cost you somewhere in the region of £900. :mrgreen:
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Jaakko » 18 Nov 2009 16:26

LocksmithArmy wrote:as far as I know the easy entrie is only sold to Gov agencies and law officials

Excuse me? From what I know you can get it if you pay the over 1000 EUR plus shipping. And if you want the firmware for it, it is another 5000 EUR.
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby LocksmithArmy » 18 Nov 2009 16:35

really? where may I ask...

for the capabilities of the machine its not a bad price.
with the software you can make blanks from a picture...

granted you dont need onw as a locksmith.... unless you come across alot of old locks where you cannot find blanks
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Wizer » 19 Nov 2009 5:38

I bet that easy entrie would not get much use in normal key-cutting service, I´ve never seen one, but it´ll propably take time to make a key with it, and the blanks could be quite expencive.
But it would be cool to be able to say I can copy any key! :)
I wonder if the software knows some of the restricted keyways and refuses to cut it?
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Squelchtone » 19 Nov 2009 6:41

LocksmithArmy wrote:really? where may I ask...


From what I heard back in the day, there are two known flavors of the Easy Entrie machine. Locksmith and Govt. (At least how it was marketed in the United States, European countries may be more relaxed) I believe the difference is in the software. The Locksmith version cannot save a profile that it scans, thus cannot recreate blanks from a stored database. You insert a key, it makes a key, thats it. The govt. one can measure a key, store it, and when they need to do a covert op, they get a Rohlex blank, make the key blank from the database and cut the bitting on a standard key machine, or medeco key machine, etc, depending on the kind of key you need for the target. Then there's the Foto software, which as you said can make a profile from a digital photo, which is pretty cool stuff indeed.

The current price for an Easy Entrie is about $12,000 US.

They can be purchased from Lockmasters HERE

From what I see there are 4 different key blanks (called Rohlex) numbers #20,#23, #25, and #27, and they cost around $2.00 US per key. The different key blanks are probably different width, thickness, etc.

The new model version V5 can create a blank in 5 minutes, versus the old V3 machines 9 minutes.

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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Legion303 » 19 Nov 2009 8:31

wolfhunter wrote:i dont know who to believe anymore...


Believe the people who pick and disassemble locks every day, not some random phone greeter at a gun show. It is physically impossible for a jolt of electricity to align pins in a lock. Period. You *might* be able to fuse the pins together with enough electricity (and probably kill yourself in the process), but then the lock would be completely unopenable.

As far as something which will "melt" into the correct shape to align everything in a lock just right, your friends need to smoke less weed.

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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Rickthepick » 19 Nov 2009 10:29

that key blank machine is awesome! never seen one before

could have done this a while back i was asked to cut 40 restricted master keys for an existing suite but could only order the blanks pre-cut at £20 each + vat... with written permission and a couple weeks waiting period.

bit out of my customers price range so lost the job :-(
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Re: Electronic/automatic lockpick

Postby Jaakko » 19 Nov 2009 12:25

Wizer wrote:I wonder if the software knows some of the restricted keyways and refuses to cut it?

Nope ;) In LockCon08 we used it to copy several Medeco keys and lots of other restricted keyways :)

And that machine can be had without some locksmith/goverment restriction from Europe, at least one UK seller can be found from Google. There used to be a german site about it and the prices, but can't seem to find it :(
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