safe identification

[alfabravo]

as i'm aware of forum rules i'm not willing to have any particular and specialized information, although i try to get some help from you. i think that i haven't posted here any crucial info about forbidden subject, and seen that there are a few similar topics in open forum so had to giving it a try.

i've recently bought a safe which cost me with transport a huge amount of 40$(without keys), and i was bored with tumblers so decided going for levers as you can see in my previous posts. my wife isn't exactly happy with my hobby, but daughter definitely is going in father's direction

i need help in identification of manufacturer brand, possible locks mounted in it so i'll do my research for tuning a little my tool.

from my research i know that this is some old(about 30 yrs) german safe(selller info). it weights about 200kg. dimensions are 40x50x60cm. two locks, with posts, double bitted. i've counted 6 levers in each lock but can be wrong. i've tried with wires and had some results but could have been mislead. then i've made 2in1 and it works much better but still have some issues. somebody told me that bottom lock isn't locked often and it should be opened, but i have some feedback that points opposite.

upper lock dimensions:
post 4mm
height 4mm
horizontal lenght circa 30mm

lower lock dimensions:
post 4mm
heihgt 4mm
horizontal lenght circa 30mm

locks doesn't seem to be operated by same key.
right wing of keyway in bottom lock seems to be shorter bacause i cannot move in my tool from this side.

[exspook]

Sounds like the lower lock is open if your tool will not enter it which means this is a non key retaining lock.
take a look at Kromer slimline locks, it looks like a plate door so you can get some more info like the type of levers (eg brass or steel metal)

[Legion303]

This is OK in open forums as long as we stick with OP's request for identification and don't stray into opening discussion.

-steve

[alfabravo]

Sounds like the lower lock is open if your tool will not enter it which means this is a non key retaining lock.
take a look at Kromer slimline locks, it looks like a plate door so you can get some more info like the type of levers (eg brass or steel metal)

i meant that it cannot enter bottom lock because of shortened right side of keyhole. i can still put pick from the left side and move it counter clockwise and get to levers. i can feel them springing when moving up and they are definitely steel ones. when i was writing about openness of bottom lock i've mentioned that it can be actually closed. when i'm trying to turn the handle i can see levers are binding up and this doesn't occurs with upper one.

i thought i've picked it but looks that i'm wrong. sometimes i can fully rotate pick in the lock and sometimes it gets stuck . levers thickness is about 2mm. any ideas what brand these lock vould be? what info should i deliver to for your experience guys?

[mh]

You might want to ask Oli: http://blog.tresoroeffnung.de/

Best
mh