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Electronic lock idea

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Re: Electronic lock idea

Postby jonwil » 25 Oct 2010 22:18

If the security turns out to be insufficient in the future, you can reprogram the locks and keys with a new program using something more secure.
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Re: Electronic lock idea

Postby mh » 25 Oct 2010 23:23

Well, let's cool down a little bit again ;)

About using the NSA's computers or many distributed computers, the latter seems to be fashionable with bad people these days, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet

I think, in general - properly laying out a cryptographic system is not a trivial task at all... Of course one is limited in processing power, and having the key consume power like a handheld computer that you have to recharge everyday might be very inconvenient; on the other hand, restricting the key size is a difficult decision to make, because some people will find it sufficient, others not.

The great thing about an Open Source Lock is this:

The door hardware would be peer-reviewed, the software source code of a number of reference implementations would be peer-reviewed -
but what's in your actual door in the end is totally up to you.

Want to use a longer cryptographic key? If you know what you are doing, why not.
Scramble and XOR everything with your cat's name? It's not adding security against a determined attacker, but will add your personal touch to it, so why not...
And so on.

The lock that you can pimp^h^h^h^hcustomize yourself. Cool, isn't it?

Cheers
mh
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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Re: Electronic lock idea

Postby JK_the_CJer » 26 Oct 2010 15:59

vov35 wrote:I microwave your RF antenna. system potentially faults open (just shorted every semiconductor).
I'm sure you've seen garage door openers as well...

The concept of optical comms could be used with an atmel or similar microcontroller with a IR LED and a IR phototransistor. This means that the lock and key would be similarly designed, but in different form factors and with slightly different code. Hell, you could set it up so that a master key can regulate key permissions. You could probably use a published encryption algorithm like AES, and the whole thing sensor/electronics thing could be kept a few feet away from the keyway by means of focusing/redirecting mirrors, making the thing more or less immune to drilling. Furthermore, the whole thing could easily be RF shielded. It'd be fairly simple to shield against light leakage as well, making intercepting a signal for decryption that much more difficult.


Ooh ooh, please leave the phototransistor exposed so I can bruteforce the code from a 1/4 mile away:
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Re: Electronic lock idea

Postby jonwil » 26 Oct 2010 22:12

Can always add shielding so the IR LED cant be accessed from that far away.
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Re: Electronic lock idea

Postby vov35 » 27 Oct 2010 16:38

a small spring loaded cover would solve that problem. I liked the thought about the laser though. :D
The BiLock isn't the first bump proof pin tumbler because it isn't a pin tumbler.
And it's called a shear line, not a "sheerline".
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